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BUSH'S REAL OPPOSITION: REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES
news/op/ed ^ | 3/28/2002 | Richard Reeves

Posted on 03/29/2002 3:08:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW

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To: FreedomFriend
Actually, the "Far" right, if you want to call it that, is nothing more than Constitutional Conservatives.

No, the "far right" is the John Birch Society, the Pitchforkers, The Spotlight/Lew Rockwell readers, and the assorted other forever unhappy slobs that resent and fear anything or anyone that does not fit their image of a "true American” or that has achieved some success in life. They are not who built this country those that built this country are just average everyday folks taking care of their families, paying their taxes, going to the polls to vote, going to work every day and many are vets or active duty. I know this will come as a shock, but the vast majority don't give 2 seconds thought to how "bad" this country is, as a matter of fact, a whole lot of them fall to their knees and thank God for this country every day. They are too busy with their own responsibilities to build bunkers, put on camouflage, and fancy themselves the reincarnation of the founding fathers. This country was NOT built by your definition of conservative, however it could be destroyed by them and they appear hell bent on doing just that

741 posted on 03/29/2002 11:54:49 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Mo1
This Country meant something to our founding fathers .. obviously it doesn't mean the same to you that you would even consider splitting up the country

Wrong again they even left us with the words to do it with.

WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great- Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

742 posted on 03/29/2002 11:55:09 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Yall
Well it's been fun .. but I have to make easter eggs is a few hours and I really need sleep in the worse way ...

Sweet Dreams all you Bushbot Rock Lobster Fans .. Hey is there a club we can join??? .. ping me if there is ..

743 posted on 03/29/2002 11:55:18 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Howlin
It doesn't matter WHAT President Bush says or does. They'll carp about every single thing and every single word ! They didn't ever like him, they didn't ever like his father, and if FR had been aborning, during Ronald Reagan's tenure, they would have said the exact same things about him !

The unappeasables are the fisherman's wife, in the old fairy tale. They are political naifs, and to a person, think that a president has the powers of an absolute monarch. Of course, even an absolute monarch NEVER had the powers they imagine such a person would have. That's WHY I am tired of trying to have an adult debate, with a bunch of two year olds throwing temper tantrums and why FR has become far worse, than anything that any Liberal has ever accused it of being. : - (

744 posted on 03/29/2002 11:58:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: cva66snipe
Let me guess if someone told you to jump of a cliff you'd do right ..

Well then ... do us all a favor

Splitting up this Country .. Destroying everything we are .. all because you have a friggin hissy fit .. GROW UP!!!

745 posted on 03/29/2002 11:59:24 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Mo1
No you had best wake up. This nation is a poor reflection of what it was intended to be. We are quickly becoming a nation of the governed rather than the employer of the government. They made federal government LIMITED IN POWER ON PURPOSE!!! When Two parties are so friendly that they can not do their Constitutional duty then we have a problem. This nation is salvagable BUT change must come soon. We don't have 50 years to convert the DEM's. We can not get change by going in the same direction as those wanting to make this a socialist nation why is that so complicated to understand. No we can't just slow it down either. Another of the stature and leadership ability of Reagan would be welcome but I'll tell you this much he would not be welcomed in the current GOP. Bush Sr despised the man remember? He flamed him well in 1980. Reagans biggest mistake was his so called speak no evil against another Republican nonsense. That is the only shread of Reagan policy the Bush political machine seems to remember.
747 posted on 03/30/2002 12:12:51 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: seamole
If the far right jump ship permanently, he could be the last Republican president ever.

He never had the "far right" in the first place. You don't get it, you can't lose something you never had.

749 posted on 03/30/2002 12:17:05 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: seamole
Rintense, Texasforever has conceded the election in 2004.

You are a real piece of work.

751 posted on 03/30/2002 12:22:04 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Mo1
Open your eyes. Each time a nation falls what happens on the way to that fall? First speach and protest is silenced and weapons are conficated except for the governments. Here is an eye opener for you.

Click here to get to the link

752 posted on 03/30/2002 12:24:59 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: TLBSHOW
>>prefer to lose on principle than win through compromise.

Ahhh...a liberal in sheeps clothing. A MAJOR part of liberism is compromise and incrementalism......slowly get the governement to control 100% of the economy and us. There is no compromise when it comes to indivdual freedoms prescibed by the Founders.

755 posted on 03/30/2002 12:36:19 AM PST by The Raven
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To: The Raven
Jeesh this ran a good run through most of the nite....WOW.
756 posted on 03/30/2002 3:26:25 AM PST by Neets
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To: BeAChooser
I am certainly not fighting for a new investigation of Clinton or Riady, any more than I am fighting to re-open whether Andrew Jackson violated the civil rights of two Englishment whom he hanged in the early 1800s. Come on.

We flat disagree about the press. Yeah, use pardongate as an example. That's perfect. Who got indicted? How many columns did you see in the mainstream press to actually investigate?

It seems like every time the people in this country speak with ANY message that conservatives don't like, you act like Democrats and blame the people. It doesn't work that way, my friend. The voters get what they want, and that is what disturbs you. You can "lead" all you want, but if the public perceives that you aren't leading in the right direction, you are gone. Jimmy Carter "led." He had all sorts of stupid initiatives.

I guess we agree that the Dems and the press will say there are no crimes committed. So that's half the voters (and consumers of news) who are going to turn off this message. How far are you going to go with that rabid 1%?

Now, here is a challenge for you. Think before you respond, and if you start posting about Riady or pardongate again I'll ignore you: name me ONE, ONE administration in American history (let alone any GREAT one) whose primary focus was investigating "crimes" of any other administration.

757 posted on 03/30/2002 3:31:14 AM PST by LS
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To: Satadru
Maybe, but the essence of these three (actually, I think it's more) initiatives/ex. orders is to FURTHER define fetuses as babies. I worry less about how that critical change is enacted, because once that definition is in, everything else is academic.
758 posted on 03/30/2002 3:32:54 AM PST by LS
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To: FreedomFriend
You could not be more wrong. I know many people who voted for Bush (including a Dem friend of mine and a McCainiac) who were won over by many of his proposals, including some of his "compassionate" conservatism.

But by all means, you join the 2% who voted for Buchanan and Browne or the other fringe candidates. Next time, they'll get 2.0000001%.

759 posted on 03/30/2002 3:34:34 AM PST by LS
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To: FreedomFriend;rintense;howlin
What other names have you used on FR?
760 posted on 03/30/2002 3:38:44 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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