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Hasta la vista baby-See you later baby(immigration)
National Review | 3/24/02 | John O`Sullivan

Posted on 03/24/2002 5:09:11 PM PST by americanpatriotUSA

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To: oldtimer
How many Republican candidates were there on the statewide Republican ballot on March 12? I just remember the Perry Supreme Court appointee, X. Rodriguez, who was beaten by Steven Smith because he supports affirmative action, not because he is Hispanic.
21 posted on 03/24/2002 6:09:33 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: americanpatriotUSA
Being Hispanic in Texas also means being Catholic and being Democrat and being for HIGHER taxation. It's that simple. The Protestant Republicans who favor lower taxes among TX Hispanics are less than 10 percent, maybe less than 7 percent.
22 posted on 03/24/2002 6:14:02 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: WRhine
I guess the president could adopt the name "Jorge" (pronounced WHORE HEY). But still I wouldn't count on many Hispanic voters. Hispanic vote Democrat, and Tony Sanchez will prove this one and for all in November 2002. Then Karl Rove will have to go to the drawing board to think of a new angle. He might start trying to convert Tony to the GOP if Tony is elected!
23 posted on 03/24/2002 6:16:32 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R., 4ourprogeny, ALL
After 8 years of clinton, Let's let GWB play his cards, and try not to complain too much
24 posted on 03/24/2002 6:21:55 PM PST by watcher1
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To: 4ourprogeny
Bush knew that he would losing a big chunk of the Conservative base if he went ahead and legalized illegal aliens. He went ahead just the same, moved to center-left, and betrayed his constituency. He made his decision knowing full well of the consequences. Come 2004 he must accept the consequences of being, like daddy, a one-term loser.

You're living in a dream world.

President Bush hasn't "legalized illegal aliens", as you say. Bush is a principled and pragmatic conservative, who understands how to play politics and be a successful leader. And Bush has betrayed no one. He is a man of integrity and character. The American people believe Bush is a man who can be trusted and they continue to support him with 80% approval ratings. At this rate Bush will kick butt in 2004. Guaranteed!

Your lies and distortions are noted.

25 posted on 03/24/2002 6:23:37 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: watcher1
Alas in so many ways, what GWB has to offer is this: he is not bILLclinton. What else has he done for us lately????? I have a short memory -- like most voters.
26 posted on 03/24/2002 6:32:04 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: americanpatriotUSA
Glad to see that that flawed bil failed. Let Georgie explain THAT one to his buddy Vincente Fox.

A win in a primary doesn't necessarily translate into a win at the general election. The Republican strategy to go after Hispanic votes is a good one. They should also go after Asian votes and black votes - but not at the price of compromising Republican philosophy. They should do it by generating moves that draw these groups into the capitalist system and show them their own best interests are served by the Republicans instead of those racial panderers the Democrats.

27 posted on 03/24/2002 6:34:36 PM PST by ZULU
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To: 4ourprogeny;Sabertooth
Bush knew that he would losing a big chunk of the Conservative base if he went ahead and legalized illegal aliens. He went ahead just the same, moved to center-left, and betrayed his constituency. He made his decision knowing full well of the consequences. Come 2004 he must accept the consequences of being, like daddy, a one-term loser.

Hope people have a long memory this November and in 2004.

He has betrayed the conservative base...SOME of us will remember..add that to the increase Democrat Hispanic vote and he is cooked

28 posted on 03/24/2002 6:35:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Dane
Pete Wilson in California did the demos a big favor in 94.

Oh yea, before that it was Hispanics for Republicans all the way!

Actually I think Pete Wilson WAS a Democrat in 94.

30 posted on 03/24/2002 6:40:57 PM PST by lurkeylou
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To: Reagan Man
Your lies and distortions are noted.

Your Brain-Dead Bush Spin and Propaganda are noted as well. BTW, since when are "opinions" "lies"? Only a party hack could think in these terms. Oh and when signs the 245I amnesty bill are you going to come back here and admit that you were wrong? LOL.

31 posted on 03/24/2002 6:42:00 PM PST by WRhine
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To: Theodore R.
"G.W.'s Hispanic policy -- largely the work of the Virginian Karl Rove -- has not yet been unraveled."

Then it sure will in 2004 - because if even a tiny fraction of the about-3/4 of voting-age Americans who are European-American are alienated by "amnesty" into either voting for protest presidential candidates or just not voting for president, Bush can win the entire Hispanic vote and still lose in 2004. That's simple math - because European-Americans outnumber Hispanic-Americans so much.

Many European-Americans here in Red Nation - in states where Bush won overwhelmingly - are alienated by Bush's push for "amnesty." He cannot afford to lose even one county of Red Nation in 2004 if he wants to be reelected.

IMMIGRATION resource library: public-health facts, court decisions, local INS numbers!

33 posted on 03/24/2002 6:46:10 PM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: 4ourprogeny
Re your "not to complain too much": I'd rather speak my mind and die than keep quiet and live.

OK, complain!

I'm not happy about a lot of stuff either.

I am happy clinton is gone and "personally" I'll give GWB more time before I really start bitching.

BTW I've never voted RAT either...never have, never will

34 posted on 03/24/2002 6:53:58 PM PST by watcher1
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To: WRhine
Your Brain-Dead Bush Spin and Propaganda...

LMAO!

Look bucko, I'm a republican, a conservative and a Bush supporter. If that makes me a party hack, so be it. I don't agree with the President, all the time. I don't agree with him on 245(i). But I have no intention of quiting Bush and joining up with an idiot like you.

Bush hasn't moved center-left. That's a lie. Bush hasn't "legalized illegal aliens". That's a distortion.

You're just another ignorant, big mouth troublemaker, who wouldn't know the truth, if it bit you in the balls. Take your anti-Bush rhetoric and stuff it.

36 posted on 03/24/2002 7:05:05 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Theodore R.
I guess the president could adopt the name "Jorge" (pronounced WHORE HEY).

It is a fitting name with a fitting pronunciation. Bush should go with it.

But still I wouldn't count on many Hispanic voters.

Yep. It is a Fool's Gold but tell that to Karl Rove the guy that managed to make a horse race of an election that was already in the bag for Bush.

Hispanic vote Democrat, and Tony Sanchez will prove this one and for all in November 2002. Then Karl Rove will have to go to the drawing board to think of a new angle.

Hey, maybe Rove will rediscover the conservatives that were instrumental in putting Bush into office? NAH! It makes too much sense.

He might start trying to convert Tony to the GOP if Tony is elected!

LOL. Yes, now that I can see.

37 posted on 03/24/2002 7:15:21 PM PST by WRhine
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To: 4ourprogeny
Bush hasn't moved center-left. That's a lie. Bush hasn't "legalized illegal aliens". That's a distortion.

...this is an outright granting of amnesty to an illegal alien...

While I don't agree with Bush on 245(i), this provison of HR1885, isn't an amnesty. Amnesty is the act of an authority, by which a pardon is granted to a large group of individuals. A pardon is, the excusing of an offense without exacting a penalty. Under the conditions of 245(i), any foreigner, who wants to reapply for legal status to remain in the US, must pay a $1,000 fine. Paying that fine, means, theres no pardon and no amnesty!

39 posted on 03/24/2002 7:23:23 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: 4ourprogeny
Nope, you are wrong. Tony Sanchez spent over 20 million dollars for the primary, Dan Morales who ran against Tony Sanchez, was scarred from being attorny general in Texas and having questionable ties with the tobacco lawyers and the amounts of monies received by them. There were no gubernatorial republican primaries in Texas. By the way, Tony Sanchez supported Bush for the governorhip both times and he contributed to Bush's presidential election and his inaugrual balls. They are friends!!. The hispanics of Texas like Bush a whole lot. The republicans need to quit worrying about the immigration. The raw emotion behind immigration and 9/11 is understandable but here has to be a balance between opennes and tighter scrutiny. Tony Sanchez is from Laredo and on a daily basis 81000 mexicans enter. Some of the Laredo businesses are dependent on Mexican citizens and 81% of the immigrants do farm work. Quit being so paranoid and be open to open but tight immigration.
40 posted on 03/24/2002 7:24:35 PM PST by olliemb
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