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UNLIMITED FORCED DRUGGING OK D BY COURT
AAPS ^ | 3/8/02 | AAPS

Posted on 03/11/2002 7:41:50 PM PST by Beata

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UNLIMITED FORCED DRUGGING OK’D BY COURT
AAPS Calls Ruling "Shocking & Inhumane"

03/08/2002

WASHINGTON -- Defendants can be forcibly drugged even though they haven’t been convicted of any charges and pose no danger to themselves or others. 

That’s the ruling issued yesterday by the Federal Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit in the case of United States v. Charles Thomas Sell. (see www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/02/03/011862P.pdf) The 2 - 1 split decision establishes government power to forcibly medicate a person with mind altering drugs even before trial. 

"It’s a shocking, inhumane decision. Now, all the government needs are allegations and a cooperative psychiatrist to forcibly drug any citizen," said Andrew Schlafly, General Counsel for the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS). That group filed an amicus brief opposing the government drugging. 

"It’s unprecedented to allow prosecutors to drug peaceful defendants presumed to be innocent. Government cannot force citizens to pledge allegiance to the flag, but now can forcibly medicate them with mind-altering drugs," said Mr. Schlafly. 

Dr. Sell, a St. Louis dentist, has been imprisoned for more than 4 years, including one- and-one-half years in solitary confinementafter being charged with Medicaid fraud. He has never been brought to trial. 

While acknowledging that "the evidence does not support a finding that Sell posed a danger to himself or others" the majority opinion still found that "charges of fraud" alone are "serious" enough to justify forced medication. Further, the Court held that there are no limits on the quantity or type of drugs. 

"There’s no good reason why Dr. Sell has been held so long without trial, and this decision will most likely prolong his imprisonment with no end in sight," said Mr. Schlafly. The dissenting judge pointed out that even if Dr. Sell were to be found guilty, his sentence would be no more than 41 months -- one year less than he’s already served. 

A similar case is pending before the same court to allow the State to forcibly medicate a convicted murderer for execution. 

"It’s appalling that the court will drug a man presumed to be innocent, even if it’s illegal to do the same thing to a convicted killer." Mr. Schlafly said that AAPS will seek to overturn the ruling. 

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AAPS is a non-partisan, dues-supported professional association of physicians in all practices and specialties, dedicated since 1943 to protecting the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship from third-party interference. 

Other Links
AAPS Amicus Brief in US vs. Sell 
Doctors' Study: Medicare "Fraud" Crackdown Hurts Patients - 02/04/2000 
Other Physician Prosecutions


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1 posted on 03/11/2002 7:41:50 PM PST by Beata
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To: green lantern
I'm totally confused. What does Medicaid fraud have to do with needing medication?

There didn't seem to be any mention that the man was mentally ill.

3 posted on 03/11/2002 7:47:36 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Beata
This country is quickly falling into a sh*&hole. How can they get so many of the judges to trash the constitution too? There must be a conspiracy underfoot...Illuminati?
4 posted on 03/11/2002 7:48:45 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: Beata
What about the 5th amendment? Is this for real?
5 posted on 03/11/2002 7:48:50 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Beata
We continue to copy additional aspects of the Stalinist model of utopia. Forced drugging of suspects.

Just be sure to give forced drug tests to these individuals too. Whoops! Now the tests come back positive for controlled substances! Tack on some felony drug charges too.

6 posted on 03/11/2002 7:49:59 PM PST by coloradan
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To: green lantern
"charges of failing to pay income taxes" alone are "serious" enough to justify forced medication...

Sound far fetched?

7 posted on 03/11/2002 7:51:19 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: Dianna
There didn't seem to be any mention that the man was mentally ill.

The problem is that "mentally ill" doesn't mean what it used to imply.

By today's standards, there are MANY people (politicans and doctors included) who would consider Christians, gun owners, defenders of the Constitution, and those of use post here as "mentally ill".

The use of mind-alterting drugs was, I believe, one of the many tools the communists in Russia used to place people in submission to the state.

8 posted on 03/11/2002 7:51:33 PM PST by Mulder
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To: antaresequity
No - not when you live in the United Soviet States of America!!!!
9 posted on 03/11/2002 7:54:09 PM PST by Tweedle_Dumb&Dee
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To: Dianna
I'm guessing he really freaked out when he was placed in prison so they medicated him. If you act out in prison they can give you any drug they want just to get you to behave for a few hours. I got all this information from a TV show on prisons so no smart alecky comments please.
10 posted on 03/11/2002 7:54:13 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Beata
Here is the court file in PDF.

PDF file

11 posted on 03/11/2002 8:00:23 PM PST by Liberal Bob
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To: big ern
I got all this information from a TV show on prisons

That a cousin of a friend watched for you.

(Sorry, it's late, couldn't help myself)
;-)

12 posted on 03/11/2002 8:01:03 PM PST by StriperSniper
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To: big ern
Dude your are so out of touch...you think they are making Cipro? No way...they will tell you its Cipro, but its really a mind controlling drug and a homeing device in one pill. Don't take it man...don't take anything they give you. The end is near brother...they are druging your dog right now and you just stick your head in the sand...go right ahead...I've got my hiding place and escape route already worked out. My "kit" is burried just on the other side of the Canadian border...You will see...we will all see......(LOL)/sarcasm
14 posted on 03/11/2002 8:04:51 PM PST by antaresequity
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This, my Freeper Friends is a serious concern. OK, maybe the guy was mentally ill. However, he was yet to be convicted of a crime. I have a problem when Govt. thugs assume that they can force their will on us without due process gauranteed to us by the Constitution.

As I've stated before in other threads, I've noticed that almost every time a person goes against the US Govt. in a legal battle, the individual LOSES. Federal judges are mearly a rubber stamp of approval for govt. abuse nowdays.

Call me a nut, but I see another revolution on the horizon. Maybe not in out lifetime, but it still looms.......

15 posted on 03/11/2002 8:06:28 PM PST by Pern
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To: antaresequity
Yes start here

Secrets, Lies, and Atomic Spies,.....Or... Joe McCarthy was more right than he ever knew

16 posted on 03/11/2002 8:06:35 PM PST by quietolong
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To: Beata
I thought I remembered Dr. Sell, and indeed I do.

The reason Dr. Sell appears to be rotting in prison on experimental antipsychotic medication is because (again from the court documents) he believes certain bad things about Clinton's justice machine. Among the three listed, my personal favorite is number two.

From the court documents at http://www.aapsonline.org/judicial/sellamicus.doc

"...(ii) Dr. Sell thought there was a government effort to cover up defendant’s knowledge of the government’s culpability in the Waco deaths, where defendant was summoned to serve at that time as an Army Reservist; and..."

Gosh, if that qualifies as a reason to forcibly medicate someone for a number of years on antipsychotic medication, Oliver Stone should flee to Cuba before they haul him in.

17 posted on 03/11/2002 8:07:06 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: Pern
O.K. let's try again (we went down last night as I was responding to this).

Call me a nut, but I see another revolution on the horizon. Maybe not in out lifetime, but it still looms.......

I won't call you a nut, because I think you are right. Before I found FreeRepublic, I thougt it was going to be over taxes and regulation. Now it looks more like it will be over the enforcement of taxes and regulation (of behavior/thought).

19 posted on 03/12/2002 7:51:13 AM PST by StriperSniper
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To: coloradan
Yeah, give me that good old Soviet State Psychiatric Regime.

Maybe the docs over at the Serbsky Institute are looking for work, we can bring them over to give us pointers.

20 posted on 03/12/2002 7:56:42 AM PST by Travis McGee
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