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US sends suspects to face torture
The Guardian (U.K.) ^ | 03/12/2002 | Duncan Campbell

Posted on 03/11/2002 6:46:29 PM PST by Pokey78

The US has been secretly sending prisoners suspected of al-Qaida connections to countries where torture during interrogation is legal, according to US diplomatic and intelligence sources. Prisoners moved to such countries as Egypt and Jordan can be subjected to torture and threats to their families to extract information sought by the US in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

The normal extradition procedures have been bypassed in the transportation of dozens of prisoners suspected of terrorist connections, according to a report in the Washington Post. The suspects have been taken to countries where the CIA has close ties with the local intelligence services and where torture is permitted.

According to the report, US intelligence agents have been involved in a number of interrogations. A CIA spokesman yesterday said the agency had no comment on the allegations. A state department spokesman said the US had been "working very closely with other countries - It's a global fight against terrorism".

"After September 11, these sorts of movements have been occurring all the time," a US diplomat told the Washington Post. "It allows us to get information from terrorists in a way we can't do on US soil."

The seizing of suspects and taking them to a third country without due process of law is known as "rendition". The reason for sending a suspect to a third country rather than to the US, according to the diplomats, is an attempt to avoid highly publicised cases that could lead to a further backlash from Islamist extremists.

One of the prisoners transported in this way, Muhammad Saad Iqbal Madni, is allegedly linked to Richard Reid, the Briton accused of the attempted "shoe bomb" attack on an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami in December. He was taken from Indonesia to Egypt on a US-registered Gulfstream jet without a court hearing after his name appeared on al-Qaida documents. He remains in custody in Egypt and has been subjected to interrogation by intelligence agents.

An Indonesian government official said disclosing the Americans' role would have exposed President Megawati Sukarnoputri to criticism from Muslim political parties. "We can't be seen to be cooperating too closely with the United States," the official said.

A Yemeni microbiology student has also been taken in this way, being flown from Pakistan to Jordan on a US-registered jet. US forces also seized five Algerians and a Yemeni in Bosnia on January 19 and flew them to Guantanamo Bay after the men were released by the Bosnian supreme court for lack of evidence, and despite an injunction from the Bosnian human rights chamber that four of them be allowed to remain in the country pending further proceedings.

The US has been criticised by some of its European allies over the detention of prisoners at Camp X-Ray in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. After the Pentagon released pictures of blindfolded prisoners kneeling on the ground, the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, was forced to defend the conditions in which they were being held.

Unsuccessful attempts have been made by civil rights lawyers based in Los Angeles to have the Camp X-Ray prisoners either charged in US courts or treated as prisoners of war. The US administration has resisted such moves, arguing that those detained, both Taliban fighters and members of al-Qaida, were not entitled to be regarded as prisoners of war because they were terrorists rather than soldiers and were not part of a recognised, uniformed army.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: espionagelist; terrorwar
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To: Dog Gone
Was that in their winter or their summer?Maybe they should be made to swim there all manacled together dropped out of the back of a C130.
21 posted on 03/11/2002 7:26:45 PM PST by madrastex
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To: gfactor
We didn't detain them in Bosnia, we siezed them from Bosnian soil and are now detaining them in Cuba.

L

22 posted on 03/11/2002 7:31:34 PM PST by Lurker
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To: Pokey78
It is very, very, very encouraging to hear good news like this, to hear instances of common sense by the USA.
23 posted on 03/11/2002 7:32:36 PM PST by gg188
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To: Lurker
we siezed them from Bosnian soil

thats what i meant. good thing there isn't a world court that can do that to us.

24 posted on 03/11/2002 7:33:15 PM PST by gfactor
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To: gcruse
Methinks you are right, this will help win the war. However there is another face of this to consider.

The reason for sending a suspect to a third country rather than to the US, according to the diplomats, is an attempt to avoid highly publicised cases that could lead to a further backlash from Islamist extremists.

This is probably true for the US, but a cooperating Arab government may see increased Islamic extremist/fundamentalist anti-government activity to the point of rebellion. It would be wise for the US to use the newly reinstated policies of rendition ect. to prevent the destabilization of these cooperating governments.

25 posted on 03/11/2002 7:33:23 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Pokey78
The US has been secretly sending prisoners suspected of al-Quaida connections to countries where torture during interrogation is legal.

Secretely, huh...then how does this author know that any of these events occurred? There is an awful lot of unvarifiable information given here and maybe his imagination stepped in in his effort to make the US look bad.

But, hey -- I'm willing to accept it at face value, and just hope that it is true!!

26 posted on 03/11/2002 7:34:55 PM PST by bjcintennessee
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To: Pokey78
I'd be happy if I heard these guys had hangnails. Torture is a wonderful level or two past that.
27 posted on 03/11/2002 7:37:36 PM PST by Stentor
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To: Navy Patriot
 but a cooperating Arab government may see
increased Islamic extremist/fundamentalist
anti-government activity to the point of rebellion.

Yes.  I'd prefer the captives be interrogated
by the Mossad, myself.  I don't see the
Arabs having proper motivation to do an
efficient job.  :)

28 posted on 03/11/2002 7:40:23 PM PST by gcruse
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To: gg188
according to US diplomatic and intelligence sources

Funny how left wing papers such as The Guardian and The Washington Post have so many inside sources. Too bad neither ever names them.

Wonder what the real deal is. Did the papers make this up? Some libs in State or an intelligence agency hoping to stir up opposition to Bush and the war? Or was the information purposefully leaked by the good guys?

29 posted on 03/11/2002 7:44:39 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: mdittmar

I'll tell you, I like BUSH. The more he does, the more I am proud to have him as our President. He just doesn't mess around. He does what has to be done...


Now if he can only get to work on our TAXES...


30 posted on 03/11/2002 7:46:52 PM PST by vannrox
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To: gcruse
HHHMMMM.... does Isreal have an embassy in Cuba??? Embassy's are considered foriegn soil.....
31 posted on 03/11/2002 7:47:51 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Dog Gone
I would bet that they don't like my suggestion to transfer them naked to an outdoor kennel in Antarctica at all.

Poor timing. It's summer there now. Chain them naked where the sled dogs used to be chained at some old DEW station in the Canadian high Arctic. BTW, sled dogs don't use kennels. If the weather doesn't change their minds the visiting polar bears will!

32 posted on 03/11/2002 7:49:58 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: Pokey78
I sure that those prisoners are well treated in those muslim countries. After all Islam is religion of peace./sarcasm
34 posted on 03/11/2002 7:55:37 PM PST by Sci Fi Guy
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To: gcruse
I don't see the Arabs having proper motivation to do an efficient job.

Exellent point.

I was thinking of the loss of Iran as a friend to the US. Jimmy Carter failed to support the Shaw, and the Shaw could not get at the Ayotollah Komenehi in France. Rendition might solve a problem like that.

35 posted on 03/11/2002 8:05:21 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: ChareltonHest
You gotta be kidding me.
36 posted on 03/13/2002 3:48:32 PM PST by weikel
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To: Pokey78
The Guardian COULD criticize the countries that carry out torture, but prefers to criticize the US for working with them and cooperating, instead of unilaterally demanding they change their policing practices.
37 posted on 03/13/2002 3:51:26 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Pokey78
LOL, they are probably sending Egyptian prisoners to.....surprise....Egypt. Oh, and the horrors of sending Jordanian prisoners to.....Jordan!

OMG, what if they are sending Pakistani prisoners to....Pakistan?

What a bunch of whining idiots they employ at these newspapers.

38 posted on 03/13/2002 3:53:48 PM PST by McGavin999
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