BUSH'S NUCLEAR MADNESS (Euro-gag)

The Mirror (U.K.) ^ | 03/11/2002 | Alexandra Williams and Bob Roberts

[borkrules]

Thanks for this mature reply.

And I want to take this opportunity to thank you for popping your head out of your ass long enough to submit your inane "thoughts" to candid criticism. I knew that if I only looked around for a bit, I could find one of you "peace, love, dope" types. I needed the therapy, so here goes:

You are a collosal ignoramous. Your stupidity is so profound that it apparently has overwhelmed your instinct to self-preservation.

This document explicates US policy with respect to the uses of nuclear weapons and lays out the possible rationales . None remind me of Dr. Strangelove. Rather, they reflect reality in an increasingly dark world. A world in which the USA functions as a beacon of light. We may need to use nuclear devices to destroy deep bunkers/nests of wicked and evil men who hunker down there, planning the next 9/11 atrocity. You got a problem with that? Sign up for the platoon that would go in there to do the job manually if the nuke option were off the table. Probability of use: low. Probability of you joining the service: nil.

As a retaliatory technique, this document isn't any different than the 50+ years of MAD that kept the nuclear peace during the Cold War. The only difference is that we may actually have to retaliate. The USSR proved sane in the sense that they loved their children more than their marxist ideology. Arab Islamofascists have shown repeatedly that they love the promise of virgins in paradise and the vision of global islamofascist domination to the continued health and vitality of their children. To sub-human barbarians such as these, the very real threat of Mecca and Medina engulfed in a radioactive fireball must be clearly and unequivocably communicated. Repeatedly, if necessary. We'll have to hope that this is enough to keep them from implementing a deranged plan to detonate a stolen warhead in NY or Washington DC, or perhaps, your hometown.

And this document reveals that we reserve the right to use nuclear weapons if the military situation calls for them, in order to reverse surprising military developments. Sorry, Perrin, but we won't simply roll over and die to please you and your tie-dyed friends notions of "morality".

You may choose to live in a fantasy world based on Disney scripted versions of reality. That choice seems all the more inexplicable in light of 9/11, but I've never been wrong over-estimating the stupidity and naivete of knuckleheads on the left (or far, far right).

The rest of us will prefer to judge reality on the evidence of what our eyes, ears and noses tell us, as we stood on the street corners of NY on that awful Tuesday morning, or watched in horror on the television.

Cower in the corner, wretched punk. Shrink from the realization of the awful burden our generation of Americans have had forced upon us. Hide under the bed, and at long last, simply recognize that the grown-ups will have to do the hard, dirty work of keeping your sorry excuse for a citizen free and safe. Perhaps one day, you may have the grace to whisper a long overdue "thank you".

[John O]

This manifesto of nuclear madness rendered by an anonymous team of Dr. Strangeloves essentially states that the US will use nuclear weapons just as they damn well please, no longer as a last resort when their national survival is at stake, but to put down regional revolts on the farthest frontiers of their global empire

Our weapons, our rules. I don't see what the problem is.

God Save America (Please)

[The_Victor]

From your own post:

"The Bush administration has directed the military to prepare contingency plans..."

These are not just contigency[sic] plans for a...

They are just contingency plans as the LA Times stated, your paranoia not withstanding. Refer to my final statement in post #5 if applicable.

[ohioman]

You obviously hunger to swing from the end of a tightly drawn noose. As this would be our future if the President had your infected solicalist views. Thank God we have a right-winger in the Oval Office.

[Lost Highway]

Do you think they just do a search and replace on Regan to Bush?

[mikhailovich]

I get it, but why is Russia (still) on the list? Does anyone really believe they will take sides with the Arab states? I don't. The only reason they've shown any anger is because of rather large business co-ops with some, and a large debt owed them by the Iraqis.

Many resent Russian arms-sales to some of these rogue states, as do I. But look at recent history. The US sold arms to Iraq and Iran not so long ago. Israel has sold to the Chinese (last year, correct me if I'm wrong). We need to get around arms sales and look at REAL alliances.

I hope to see Russia continue as our partner in the fight against terrorism. On a flight from Moscow to JFK in 1999, I was engaged in political conversation with US businessman. At the time, he understood the Chechen war, and overtly stated he wished that the average American understood the war too.

I'm glad to know, but saddened in the process, that now they do understand.

[section9]

PERRIN, YOU ARE BUSTED!!!!!!!!!

Not only are you a mindless leftwinger with a penchant for hating your own country, but you are a rotten, no good

PLAGIARIST!!!!!!!!!

As much as I despise what Justin Raimondo writes from time to time, you do not have the right to steal his work, you rotten intellectual thief.

Here's your garbage...

These are not just contigency plans for an eventual strike back when the US is targeted by a nuclear ICBM.

This manifesto of nuclear madness rendered by an anonymous team of Dr. Strangeloves essentially states that the US will use nuclear weapons just as they damn well please, no longer as a last resort when their national survival is at stake, but to put down regional revolts on the farthest frontiers of their global empire. In short, as a response to "surprising military developments," nukes will now be used as weapons of conquest. Let's say the US invades Iraq, and the war starts to go badly, perhaps because other Arab countries enter the fray and US troops are caught in a general conflagration, a replay of what happened at that Marine barracks in Beirut only on a much larger scale. According to the new policy, in that case the US can always nuke 'em into submission. Indeed, the mere threat is enough to at least temper the thought of resistance, which is another reason I tend to think this "leak" was sprung from the top.

Now here's what Justin Raimondo wrote in his screed earlier today....

Thirdly, this manifesto of nuclear madness rendered by an anonymous team of Dr. Strangeloves essentially states that we will use nuclear weapons just as we damn well please, no longer as a last resort when our national survival is at stake, but to put down regional revolts on the farthest frontiers of our global empire. In short, as a response to "surprising military developments," nukes will now be used as weapons of conquest. Let's say we invade Iraq, and the war starts to go badly, perhaps because other Arab countries enter the fray and US troops are caught in a general conflagration, a replay of what happened at that Marine barracks in Beirut only on a much larger scale. According to the new policy, in that case we can always nuke 'em into submission. Indeed, the mere threat is enough to at least temper the thought of resistance, which is another reason I tend to think this "leak" was sprung from the top.

If you don't get banned from this board for this act of intellectual laziness and thievery, Jim Robinson ought to give us the reasons why.

Get lost, liberal plagiarist scum. Or should I say, farewell, Doris Kearns Goodwin!

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[section9]

Actually, I'm somewhat surprised that Raimondo didn't show up here to defend his work against this intellectual looter.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[jpl]

Yaaaaaaaaawn! People were saying the exact same crap when Reagan got elected: this cowboy maniac is going to start WWIII and get the entire planet killed, get ready for "The Day After", yada yada yada. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt folks.

[Naked Lunch]

It is my understanding that Russia is on this list not because we consider them enemies, but because there is a fear of residual nukes floating around the country that may be picked up by Chechens, or other instable groups.

[Psalm 73]

"It would drive a coach and horses through Nato's doctrine of nuclear strikes as a last resort."

Uh, thanks for abrogating the NATO pact of mutual defense - when the US was attacked the rest of NATO allies (with the exception of UK) hemmed and hawed.
WE DON'T CARE WHAT EUROPE THINKS!!
They are irrelavent.

[EternalHope]

I hunger for light and reason. I hunger for people who don't think they can bomb their way to peace and safety.

Lenin had a term for liberals like you: Useful idiot.

John Stuart Mill had some thoughts that apply to you too:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse...."

"A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other."

You, sir, are that miserable creature, "Who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."

[xzins]

Of course Russia should be on the list. Personally, I'd also have EVERY other nation that has ICBM capability, to include Britain, France, etc.

Contingency planning does not say anything about who you plan to attack. It says what you plan to do if you are attacked by any given power. Makes sense to me.

[mikhailovich]

Agreed, but the broadcast of this information (at this time) was a poor judgment call, IMHO. Look at the reverse, if Russia announced publicly she was re-aiming, fine-tuning, and fueling up her ICBM's to target American cities (just in case.)

I'm thinking this would go over like a turd in the punchbowl, here, huh? Ya think?

[driftless]

Excellent anaylsis, but you might as well ask your dog to recite Shakepeare. These leftist nuts have an agenda, and no amount of reason will register with them.

[driftless]

Ever study WW II? We, Britain and America, bombed the bejesus out of Japan and Germany. Have those two countries started any wars lately?

[shaggy eel]

,,, firstly we have an alarmist headline "let's nuke 'em all!" from a typical British tabloid. Is there nothing happening at Buckingham Palace right now? Get that Prince with the oversize ears to pick up Camilla's snotrag off the floor or something - let those "photo-journalists" loose!
This is a world story in need of accurate, responsible reporting and "The Mirror" clearly, just isn't up to that.

Secondly, you're really out to lunch, ain't ya? All the US is saying is "play ball with us or we'll stick the bat up your arse." They're taking a protective stance, not an aggressive one. If you need this explained a little more, get back to me - Nintendo may not be enough to do it for you.

[Rudder]

"...contingency plans..."

The article uses these words, but apparently the author doesn't understand their meaning. It means if you do not attack us with weapons of mass destruction we won't nuke you.

What on earth could be easier to understand than plain english when spoken to an Englishman?

I suggest that since their affiliation with the EU, Brits have lost the ability to understand their own language.

[xzins]

I'm thinking this would go over like a turd in the punchbowl, here, huh? Ya think?

Oh, the timing is bad, but since it's a leak of secret information, it isn't a matter of timing. There's never a good time for a secret to leak.

If I were Russian, I'd be appalled at my government if they didn't have a contingency plan for dealing with a nuclear attack from ALL of the world's nuclear powers.....to include the world's largest nuclear power.

[tellertime]

Oh, is that why I see so many BMW's and Mercedes-Benz's out on the road. Somebody thinks they do something right. They build better ones than we do. Think on that. They even had the imagination and creativity, something we lack, to remove ALL nuclear power plants from German soil by 2020. They will be the leaders in solar farming and wind power by 2040. Think on that. We have no plans even remotely close to it. Now who will lead the way?