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To: gore3000
With so many pieces missing, paleontology is just a game of who can make up the most fantastic interpretation for the smallest evidence possible.

One of the things I find offensive is the cavalier way the anti-evolutionists dismiss other people's work. No, it not 'just a game' - there is a very large amount of study, work, and weighing evidence involved. People may come to wrong conclusions, but there are very few cases of outright fraud (and these were usually discovered because they went against evolution, not because a creationist found an error)

I guess it's almost a literal truth to some of the antis, but the devil is in the details.

PS, just why do whales have hipbones, and why is an occasional whale born with legs? Is there any explanation other than descent from terrestial ancestors?

PPS and why do chimps and people share the **exact same** (those devilish details again!) mutation that prevents vitamin C formation?

272 posted on 03/13/2002 9:02:09 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
"With so many pieces missing, paleontology is just a game of who can make up the most fantastic interpretation for the smallest evidence possible. - me-

One of the things I find offensive is the cavalier way the anti-evolutionists dismiss other people's work."

You are wrong, I do not cavalierly dismiss the work of other people. I gave the reasons why I dismiss their work, allow me to quote myself:

Funny thing about evolutionists is that they admit the fossil record is inadequate themselves but they continue to make categorical statements proclaiming evolution to be true based on the very fossil record which they find inadequate!

Not only are there tremendous gaps in the fossil record, but also fossils tell us very little about a species. Fossils (except in very special circumstances which can be counted on the fingers of one hand) do not provide DNA. Fossils often do not provide a complete skeleton, just bits and pieces of the specimen. Fossils more importantly do not provide evidence of 99% of what makes up an individual, what makes each species, each individual different.

Now in my first paragraph I show a clear contradiction in the statements by evolutionists regarding the fossil record. Seems to me that they are saying heads I win tails you lose. Either the fossil record proves evolution or it does not, but this kind of double talk is totally unscientific.

In the second paragraph I point out what not many are aware of:
1. that DNA, the one thing which can open up dead species to fairly precise examination is almost never found in fossil digs.
2. that bones are a very small part of what makes an individual. The bones do not tell us anything about numerous important characteristics that need to be passed on from generation to generation if evolution is to be proven true.
3. that paleontologists make decisions about new species with very, very little bone evidence. Many so called dead species only consist of a few bones out of the hundreds in each individual. Yet, that does not stop paleontologists from making outrageous claims for each new find. A good example of this is the famous Lucy which pushed back the hominid species a few million years into the past. The face of Lucy is pure make believe, it is more plaster than bone. How could it be determined to be human like if they do not even know what the head really looked like? It is an outrage.

So in view of the above, I think all can see that I did not reach the conclusion you quoted in haste or without a strong basis for it. In case you need more proof of paleontological games, see the next posting.

275 posted on 03/13/2002 7:41:18 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Virginia-American
PALEONTOLOGICAL FRAUD

A great example of paleontological fraud is Eosimias. Eosimias was trumpeted by evos, by so called scientists and by the press 'the missing link of human evolution'. Here's Eosimias:

Time Magazine's Eosimias illustration
The Evolutionary tree showing Eosimias's place in it

This must be quite a find indeed! The whole history of man, the missing link, finally found! A great new specimen found!

There are many links to the pictures above, however you will have to look for a long time for the pictures of the bones showing this fantastic find. I found a site which showed the bones and guess what, they were from those totally unscientific folk called creationists. Imagine the nerve, the total gall of these people of showing the evidence, the bones, upon which those gorgeous drawings were made! How unscientific can they get?:

Alas! Here's the picture! The proof of macro-evolution, the proof that Darwin was right! The proof that God does not exist!


From:Evolution in the News - September 2000
In case you missed it, the "evidence" is in the case being held by the man, the bones are two, just above the white ruler.

However, this is not the only evidence for Eosimias of course, Here's the story of the lower jaw of Eosimias:
In a separate article in the journal Nature, the group reported on more fossils from a previously discovered third primate called Eosimias centennicus. They had discovered its teeth and jaws in the mid 1990s. Now they’ve got ankle bones, which they say backs up their controversial claim that Eosimias is an early ancestor of humans.
from:A Shrew Size Primate

Note that the jaw bones had been found some 10 years earlier in a part of China hundreds of miles away from the ankle bone find. One may ask how the jaw bones and the ankle bones were determined to be of the same creature? What scientific explanation could there be for such a determination?

No doubt they were genetically linked through evo supermollecular retro-dna analysis to each other (this is a wonderful new invention which can trace non-existing DNA back hundreds of millions of generations). From this awesome evidence they made the drawings, the articles, the missing links and a whole new family tree for mankind! And the best part about all this is that your taxes paid for this wonderful discovery!

276 posted on 03/13/2002 7:41:39 PM PST by gore3000
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