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Police tried to talk with Westerfield without his attorney! (Big No No!!) van Dam Case Update
KNSD NBC ^ | March 6, 2002 | KNSD NBC

Posted on 03/06/2002 6:27:23 PM PST by FresnoDA

David Westerfield was arrested on charges of kidnapping and burglary. Police say Danielle's blood was found on his clothing and in his motor home.
 
Police tried to talk with Westerfield without his attorney
 
by NBC 7/39 News Staff
SAN DIEGO, March 6 –    A San Diego police captain confirmed Wednesday that two detectives tried to talk with the man accused of killing Danielle van Dam when his lawyer was not present to represent him.

Lawyers for David Westerfield filed papers in court Tuesday saying that the detectives attempted to talk with Westerfield last Wednesday, the day after he was charged with kidnapping and killing 7-year-old Danielle van Dam. The lawyers called the action “outrageous government misconduct,” and wrote that it jeopardized Westerfield’s right to effective counsel.

Defense experts say the law is clear: once a suspect has a lawyer, police and prosecutors should not attempt to talk with the defendant without getting permission from the lawyer. Some say the incident could harm the case against Westerfield.

"It sends a lot of messages, in addition to laying the groundwork for potentially asking the court to dismiss the charges because of this outrageous governmental conduct," criminal defense specialist Kerry Steigerwalt said.

Wednesday, Police Captain Ron Newman told NBC 7/39 that two detectives did request to speak with Westerfield, but he apparently refused to talk with them and called his lawyer to report the attempted interview.

"I have confirmed that that did happen,” Capt. Newman told NBC 7/39. “I question the appropriateness of it. I'm sure the detectives felt that it was the appropriate thing to do, given the set of circumstances that they were under. But we will be handling that internally. So it's not something that we would normally do. In fact, we should not be doing it, frankly.”

Another legal expert told NBC 7/39 that if police did not actually talk with Westerfield that day, there's little damage to the case against him.


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To: Cato the Censor
**At the same time, Mr. Van Dam was reported to be at a paint gun arcade with a female neighbor.**

I haven't heard this bit of news. Source?

21 posted on 03/06/2002 7:11:22 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
Are the VDs protecting their babysitter?
22 posted on 03/06/2002 7:12:19 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: 4ourprogeny
It means that if the criminal didn't actually tell the police anything that day, there was no harm committed.
23 posted on 03/06/2002 7:13:30 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: FresnoDA
Sorry, but not being a lawyer (I'm an engineer) I need to ask a question of lawyers on this thread so I can understand what is being violated.

I realize that once someone obtains counsel (I'm the plaintiff in a civil case) representatives of either party (even my own insurance company) can't talk to you personally, but must do so through your counsel. You may speak to them, but then lose rights you may have overlooked since, you, not a lawyer, don't know what those rights are.

I also understand Miranda, at least on the surface, however, once someone has been Mirandized, and they talk without counsel present, isn't that like the use of the 5th Amendment? You either answer nothing, or you cannot use the protection under the 5th, even if you answer only one question? I also believe that one of the Miranda warnings is that "you may stop answering at any time and request counsel". If doofus prospective defendant talks, then isn't that kind of his own hook, and if he hangs himself with his own rope, so be it??

I apologize for asking this, but I just don't know what the actual LAW is concerning stuff like this.

Any info would be appreciated ;-)

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24 posted on 03/06/2002 7:16:40 PM PST by gwmoore
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To: P-Marlowe
I say let him go. I bet he doesn't last an hour.

People say stuff like that every time some monster is freed, and the only thing that happens is the monster does his thing again.

MM

25 posted on 03/06/2002 7:17:51 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: homeschool mama
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26 posted on 03/06/2002 7:18:36 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: crypt2k
This case just gets more and more strange, ya know?
27 posted on 03/06/2002 7:18:40 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: frmrda
Are you saying that it is against the law to ask a person who has been charged if they would speak to the police. Just asking is a no no???
28 posted on 03/06/2002 7:18:57 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: Dog Gone
Here in the Bay Area, affirmitive action hires have pretty much taken over local police departments. These people are not being hired based on their expertise.
29 posted on 03/06/2002 7:21:00 PM PST by House of Stone
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To: Dog Gone
Sorry but I disagree, IMO once you invoke your right to attorney the suspect must initiate any further interviews.

Miranda

...He should have invoked it when they questioned him when he returned from his trip as well as refused access to his house and car without warrant...we shall see...Rumor I heard was the "child porn" was from something called "barely legal"...sounds legal to me...if not why would he keep it knowing he was probably going to be searched?

30 posted on 03/06/2002 7:24:06 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone
The blood clotting reactions are irreversible. There's no way to spread it around unless you have a fresh sample preserved with EDTA. Since the only folks in the perps dwellings were the perp and the cops, the perp(westerfield) spilled the blood. I know that, because in order to get the blood, you have to have a live victim and the cops didn't have the victim at the time they were doing the search.
31 posted on 03/06/2002 7:28:59 PM PST by spunkets
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To: crypt2k
Are the VDs protecting their babysitter?

What babysitter? I'll bet the kids were left alone.

32 posted on 03/06/2002 7:30:50 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: rolling_stone
I think it depends on what the cops actually did. If they tried to actually question him again, it's clearly over the line. If they merely made an inquiry as to whether he wanted to talk, without any other pressuring statements, it's borderline. I'm sure it was against department policy, in any event.

It was stupid by the police, because anything the defendant had said probably would have been thrown out anyway, probably without much fight by the DA.

On the other hand, a suspect can voluntarily waive his constitutional rights at any time, just as he can assert them at any time.

But the police cannot simply resume questioning once someone has requested that an attorney be present. No question about that.

33 posted on 03/06/2002 7:36:03 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: P-Marlowe
What babysitter? I'll bet the kids were left alone.

Kids alone can do amazing things; I know of a pair of boys that made a flame thrower out of a super soaker and some gasoline.

34 posted on 03/06/2002 7:36:21 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: crypt2k
Its amazing any of us made it to puberty.
35 posted on 03/06/2002 7:38:19 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: crypt2k
Hehehe long time ago you could use a can of hairspray and a match...
36 posted on 03/06/2002 7:50:59 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Squantos
Apparently these guys are trying to get on with the feds.
37 posted on 03/06/2002 7:55:34 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: rolling_stone
Caught my kid doin the flame thrower thing with a can of brut deodorant. He uses the stick version now.
38 posted on 03/06/2002 7:57:34 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Bonaparte
It took them over 2 weeks to go back and get the door from in the bedroom.
39 posted on 03/06/2002 7:57:52 PM PST by Jaded
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To: FresnoDA
Well, It is definately a legitimate complaint from the defendants lawyer. Should the trial go bad for him, he could use it as part of the grounds for appeal. I don't believe that he did not say anything. But, It is not enough for me to make anything of it, yet................
40 posted on 03/06/2002 8:02:50 PM PST by Cold Heat
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