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To: cracker
"Wrong. The author does not even seem to realize the huge differences between chemistry and typing monkeys: that not all outcomes are equally probable, and that continued chemical reactions favor the formation of complex chemicals - each failed attempt does not put you back to square one."

Once you read and understand all three linked articles and comments, you might discern that the author is discussing the probability of DATA being stored, not chemicals reacting with each other.

Whether we are looking at the data in a story such as Shakespeare's Hamlet, or at the data that distinguishes ameoba DNA from that of the DNA of an ox, the mathematical probabilities of said data being formed naturally, without intelligent intervention of any kind, is identical.

Hence, the math is valid for a probability proof of either.

80 posted on 03/06/2002 11:58:17 AM PST by Southack
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To: Southack
Once you read and understand all three linked articles and comments, you might discern that the author is discussing the probability of DATA being stored, not chemicals reacting with each other.

If the author claims that the proof show evolution is impossible he has to take into into account how the properties of the chemicals affect the data.

86 posted on 03/06/2002 12:05:02 PM PST by Lev
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To: Southack
Once you read and understand all three linked articles and comments, you might discern that the author is discussing the probability of DATA being stored, not chemicals reacting with each other.

What a marvelous obfuscation. Perhaps you should answer my other posts:
1. What is the data content of your Hamlet string?
2. What is the data content for a simple 32 element self-replicating peptide string?
3. Why does "Data" matter at all - the real issue is the actual chemistry itself. Treating the problem as information or data is an abstraction. But if the chemistry indicates that the molecules in fact form very easily, in spite of your abstraction, that means that the abstraction is inapposite, not that the chemistry is wrong. Your monkeys are at best an analogy; the nature of chemical interactions reveals that the analogy is ill-considered.
4. Again, your example does not allow for the selection and replication of data. It must fail.

87 posted on 03/06/2002 12:05:27 PM PST by cracker
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To: Southack
you might discern that the author is discussing the probability of DATA being stored, not chemicals reacting with each other

You will illuminate this, I hope. "Data" is a construct, chemicals do exist and are observed combining into more complex structures.

As Physicist has pointed out, there is no absolute way to divide chemicals into living and non-living. The more we study, the more we find chemicals shading into living things. And vice-versa.

89 posted on 03/06/2002 12:08:06 PM PST by js1138
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