Posted on 03/05/2002 2:00:27 PM PST by vannrox
Special Dispatch 343 - Jihad and Terrorism Studies
February 8, 2002
Saudi Government Official on Bin Laden as a Hero:
"He Did Not Present a Distorted Picture of Islam to the West" American Jews are "Brothers of Apes and Pigs"
The popular Al-Jazeera talk show, "The Opposite Direction," recently addressed the issue of whether Osama bin Laden has served the cause of Islam, or damaged it. Appearing on the program were Osama Safar, a Kuwaiti columnist who opposed bin Laden and Abdallah Bin Matruk Al-Haddal, a Saudi preacher from the Ministry of Islamic Affairs in Saudi Arabia, who supported bin Laden.
Since September 11th the policy set by the heads of the Saudi Kingdom dictates that Saudi government employees are to refrain from expressing support of bin Laden. However, Al-Haddal stood firmly in defense of bin Laden. In his comments he also fiercely attacked American Jewry. Following are excerpts of Al-Haddal's statements:[1]
On Bin Laden...
"...I did not come [here] to defend bin Laden personally. Bin Laden waged an Islamic Jihad; he defended the oppressed people in Afghanistan. He expelled the Soviet Union [from Afghanistan]. The Western world focuses on Osama bin Laden and the Jihad, and ignores the Muslims' faith, their principles, and their values. Men like bin Laden will not allow the Islamic world to bow down under the infidel enemies' tyranny, under the tyranny of the U.S...."
"...There is no doubt that Osama bin Laden waged Jihad against the infidels, against the aggressor and the oppressor. America does not want Islamic principles [to exist] on the face of this planet. It does not want the full implementation of Islam's values and principles... It does not want there to be a free Islamic economy."
"...America doesn't want to have any competitors. She wants to be all alone in this world. Osama bin Laden's demands are the demands of his nation. The nation who gave rise to Osama bin Laden is a strong and great nation. It is the nation of the future. Before bin Laden, it gave rise to Salah Al-Din Al-Ayyubi [Salladin]."
"...Osama bin Laden [caused] the West to think and read a lot about Islam. Books on Islam disappeared from the market; everybody wants to read about the kind of Islam that does not accept oppression..."
"...Osama bin Laden is a Jihad warrior who implemented the principles of Islam and of faith, and then reached the pinnacle by going to fight the Jihad in Afghanistan. This is a man who gave his soul for Allah, and Allah guarded his soul until he reached a point where he became a hero like Salah Al-Din Al-Ayyubi [Salladin]."
"Like all other Muslims, bin Laden wanted to apply the Shari'a fully with its values, principles, economics, media, and education. Even in sports there should be Shar'i sport."
On American Jewry
"I don't believe that the attack on America [on September 11th] was perpetrated by bin Laden or the Muslims. I think differently. I believe it was a scheme. What is happening now is a continuation of an ancient attack. It is a continuation of the Jewish deception and the Jewish-Zionist wickedness which infiltrates the U.S.... I am surprised that the Christian U.S. allows the 'brothers of apes and pigs' [meaning the Jews] to corrupt it. [The Jews] have murdered the prophets and the messengers. [The Jews] are the most despicable people who walked the land and are the worms of the entire world. They are all evil. And why? Because they are deceiving and plotting aggressors..."
"...The Jews do not respect Jesus, the son of Mary. America should know who the Jews truly are. The Jews see Jesus as someone born from prostitution, while he is the noble prophet of Allah, and his mother, peace be upon her, is pure..."
"...Jewish fingerprints have infiltrated the U.S. Jewish evil and deception are those who attacked the U.S. [on September 11th]. Osama bin Laden fought against the opposing falsehood and oppression that is generated by the evil and deceptive Jewish-Zionism..."
"...They want to rid the world of Islam. They don't want Islam to ever have a revival. Osama bin Laden removed oppression; even Muslims came back to their belief and their religion. He did not present a distorted picture of Islam to the West. Quite the contrary; reading about Islam became more popular in the West. Westerners read on the morality of the Prophet Mohammed, his beliefs and his values. They read about Islam, not about terrorism..."
"...The American people is a people that is being led by the media and TV culture. If a wicked Jewish crook begins saying that the Muslims are oppressors, it has an influence on the Americans. The media in America is in the hands of the Jews and behind it there are the Jewish Zionists' despicable fingerprints that change reality. They have even deceived the Christians about their own religion. Did you know that the person who forged the Christian religion is a Jew?"
"The Muslims have mercy on the Christians more than they have on the Jews. Bin Laden defended the oppressed. We warn the U.S. and advise her to get rid of the Jews."
[1] Al-Jazeera TV, January 22, 2002.
He is far less favored by groups with more tolerent traditions like those in the Maghreb, Turks in Turkey and in the Trans-Eurasian Steppe.
If you believe in the garbage that the rapist, murder, lier wrote then it you are an enemy.Kiss my hairy ass. Where did you learn to spell? Homeschooled?
The rider on the White Horse is given a crown and a bow and goes out conquering and to conquer. He sets the stage for the other three horsemen of the apocalypse who bring war, famine, disease and death.
Salladin and Mohammed were conquerors to promote Islam and the Koran which clearly and openly calls for the destruction of Jews and Christians.
Have the Arabs and Saudis and extreme Islamics given Bin Laden a crown and a bow and put him on a white horse in the name of their false version of peace to go out conquering for Isalm? Or will they find another rider for their white horse to do the job for them if Bin Laden fails?
Many Iranian and Egyptian and Saudi clerics and mullahs and political leaders and Bin Laden keep promoting violence against Christians and Jews to promote Islam. They say they are freedom fighters and are justified by Allah to be violent to bring in a peaceful Islam to rule the world. They say they will be peaceful when they achiecve domination. They are deceiving and being deceived.
They would not be satisfied with just taking over Israel and having the US leave the ME region. The extreme Islamics want to conquer all Christians, all Jews everywhere and dominate the entire world for Islam. And they will use deceptive peaceful and violent means at the same time to achieve their goals.
Beware of a rider on a White Horse who Arab Islamic extremists will promote and claim to be a champion of Islam while he goes out to destroy and conquer Christians and Jews using violence in the name of Islam's false claim of peace.
Hmmmm. Maybe we should invite Abdallah to "visit" his co-religionists at Camp X-Ray?
"Oh, the shackles? Merely for your own protection, Minister."
My apologies as one who is first cousin to some snake handlers. There's a lot of it around these days. I wish some Turkish Korean War vets would post here.
Koran which clearly and openly calls for the destruction of Jews and Christians.You are so mistaken! The Koran calls for the protection of them. Arrrgh! These bastards like Usame were successful after all. They managed to get you ignorant asses all worked up! Cool heads will prevail, so prevail.
"Koran which clearly and openly calls for the destruction of Jews and Christians."
If your version of the Koran does not say this, it must have some pages missing from the original.
Actually the Koran calls for the destruction of Jews and Christians if they fail to convert after being given three chances. If they convert, they will not be physically destroyed, but then they will no longer be Christians or practice Judaism either -their faith will be destroyed.
If they do not convert after the third chance , Christians and Jews are to be violated, their property taken and they are to be killed according to the Koran.
But I am glad that not all Muslims follow every word in all pages of the Koran.
God and Jesus CHrist have love for Muslims. Christians who trully follow Christ's teachings and commandments do not try and kill or persecute Muslims.
Praise be to God the Father for the gift of His Son, Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace.
Muslims and Christians alike can have eternal life if they believe on Jesus Christ as the Son of God and as God's gift to cover their sins with Christ's blood if they believe and repent.
If your version of the Koran does not say this, it must have some pages missing from the original.You have the original then? LOL!
What does the Quran have to say on the matter of violence with respect to Islam?
"Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (48:29)
"Enmity and hatred will reign between us until ye believe in Allah alone." (60:4)
"Make war on them until idolatory does not exist any longer and Allah's religion reigns universally." (8:39) (2:193)
"Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (9:123)
"Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, capture and besiege them and prepare for them every kind of ambush." (9:5)
Is this simply referring to muslim apostates or pagans???
"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are perverted!" (9.30)
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium [Mary - "Jesus is the messiah"]; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust. Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve. (5:71-73)
And there is allot more in the Hadith. What I said is true by the words in the books that you read and believe in.
MCD
Dont think so, they are dead, you know, at peace.
In all seriousness, Saudi Arabia IS Mecca, the Holy land of Islam. When a Saudi Official makes a statement that Osama Bin Laudin is righton about Islam it is a decree, not an opinion, you can not go any higher. So now it is official, The Moderate Moslems are apostates, The Radical Islamics are not Radical, they ARE Islam.
"Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (48:29)The following refers to what we consider a mistake: Turning God in to a human, suggesting that God had sex with Mary, etc. Note that it's up to God to destroy them and not me:
"Enmity and hatred will reign between us until ye believe in Allah alone." (60:4)
"Make war on them until idolatory does not exist any longer and Allah's religion reigns universally." (8:39) (2:193)
"Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (9:123)
"Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, capture and besiege them and prepare for them every kind of ambush." (9:5)
"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are perverted!" (9.30)Note that the Messiah is not shunned but praised in the following passage, but the idea of God and Mary having had a baby together, and the idea that God is divisible is criticized:
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium [Mary - "Jesus is the messiah"]; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust. Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve. (5:71-73)All of which boils down to: 1)Show no mercy to those who persecute you, and try to extinguish you and your family, and 2)God is so extremely immense and all encompassing an entity that it is beyond God to have sex with humans and have children, and anyone who thinks that is reverting back to the older previous religions where God has a human form.
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