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To: Joe Brower ; Harpseal ;Texasproud ;AAAbest ;Airborneranger ; Big Ern
Contempt of cop is a disease that will kill , hurt or ruin all who come in contact with it .......this was such a case IMHO. FLEA's in civilian clothes and unmarked vehicles with eeeeeeeeeeevil black firearms will sure lock up the fear factor of any innocent person who's never experienced such.

I figure the FiBi's will just pay the kid and say Oooooop's AD's happen and this agent will be promoted in the phucupmoveup career incentive program to supervise other idiots someday.

Sad that PC is sooooo strong in goobermint that good FLEAS/LEOS have to cater to the likes of this that make em all look like sh*t........

Stay Safe !

32 posted on 03/04/2002 10:25:05 AM PST by Squantos
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To: Squantos
I agree with your comments about "Contempt of Cop". There can be no mistake in this regard, however -- the FBI shoulders full blame for this incident. The fault is theirs and theirs alone, as is the ill will towards their agency that results from their modus operandi: screw up, cover up, while the criminals in their organization continue on clean as the driven snow. They besmirch the reputation of their entire organization by behaving so.

"Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. -- Justice Louis Brandeis, dissenting, Olmstead et al. v. United States, 277 U.S. 485 (1928)

34 posted on 03/04/2002 10:38:39 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: Squantos
I think you're probably correct.

I always give the benefit of the doubt to LEOs even of the Federal type (considering the many mistakes made the last decade by them) when this stuff happens but I always reserve judgement until all the facts are in.

I was even late in my outrage over Waco due to this.

I don't think we should stop trying to apprehend bank robbery suspects and in that case this crap will happen again because humans are involved.

How bad of a goat roping this was (that led to the shooting of the kid) remains to be seen. Obviously an innocent kid driving down the road is going to react funny (read delayed reaction) when a bunch of armed, non-uniformed people start shouting at him and forcing his car off the road.

What are our options for stopping this sort of thing from happening again aside from getting better people on the job or creating a magic pill that removes SNAFU from our daily lives?

35 posted on 03/04/2002 10:39:30 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Squantos
Good Lord,

What happened to the FBI we used to have so much respect for. Squantos, you and I were both working for New Mexico S.O.'s back in the day. Hell, we had great agents to work with back then. We also had some great Deputy U.S. Marshalls, Border Patrolmen, etc.

Say what you will about Hoover, but this is for certain, if this idiot had done this (shoot an innocent civilian, an Eagle Scout no less)in Hoover's time, he would have probably already eaten his own gun, for the good of the Bureau.

50 posted on 03/04/2002 1:47:39 PM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: Squantos;Joe Brower;harpseal;Travis McGee
This is such a travesty.

I might be a heretic, but I think the FBI can be a very useful LE org. Their forensic capabilities are second to none and let's face it, we do need to have an interstate police organization.

However, they've screwed themselves royally. They're running around suburbia with weapons that I wouldn't have dreamed of pointing anywhere but downrange when I was at Ft. Benning.

This story, and their absurd and arrogant reaction to the backlash highlights the problem. They've gotten too far from investigatory police work, which is what they're good at.

They're engendering hatred, and it's their own damn fault. When you think about all the screwups, all the people they've hurt and all the scandals (from Chinagate to Russian spies) they're actually to the point where they're doing more harm than good. I don't say that half-assed, it's actually the truth if you think about it.

Our federal agencies are going paramilitary without the "military" part of the latin. Meaning, that when you're in the military you're accountable and professionalism is demanded. When you f**k up, the only answer should be:

NO EXCUSE SIR

54 posted on 03/04/2002 3:59:23 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Squantos
RE:good FLEAS/LEOS have to cater to the likes of this that make em all look like sh*t........

Then that means they have to speak up, get loud and get the word out when they see bad crap going on.
84 posted on 03/05/2002 10:32:43 AM PST by tomakaze
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