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U.S. Drops Thermobaric Bomb on Afghan Caves
FOX News Alert ^ | March 2, 2002 | Diane Diamond

Posted on 03/02/2002 1:41:41 PM PST by codebreaker

Developing..new weapon system has been used


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To: xm177e2;codebreaker;Dog gone;Tacis;Bogie;Long cut
Same weapon as I reported that the Russians were using in These posts about Chechnya.

Den.

141 posted on 03/03/2002 2:42:44 PM PST by dennybabyboy-fitzy
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To: dennybabyboy-fitzy
Believe it or not, there are ways of staying safe from a vicinity blast from a thermo-baric bomb,

Details? on second though, never mind!

142 posted on 03/03/2002 2:44:07 PM PST by null and void
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To: null and void
Null, you have one seriously workable scenario there.

Damn, if I don't like it. The "Flying Dutchman" concept works for me. I don't care if OBL is a CGI sim, it doesn't matter. What matters is that people BELIEVE he is there, kinda like some evil Santa Claus.

Like Elvis, reports surface concerning his "miraculous" appearance, and the thermobaric warheads follow the reports. I figure it would only take a few before "behavior modification" begins to take place.

Your idea is workable, already mostly in place, and would have the desired result. If thermobarics aren't enough, then we "kick it up a notch" and go to the valley of the mushrooms...

Keep the Faith for Freedom

MAY GOD BLESS AND PROTECT THIS HONORABLE REPOUBLIC FROM THE CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER BOTH WITHIN, AND OUTSIDE, HER BORDERS.

Greg

143 posted on 03/03/2002 2:52:45 PM PST by gwmoore
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To: dennybabyboy-fitzy
As far as I can tell, it's just another type of fuel air bomb that was designed to be better on caves. Iwo Jima was a nightmare because of the caves, and the US Navy hammered it with 16inch guns for days. Yet the Japs came out and slaughtered our guys.

I think that is what is behind some of todays concepts.

144 posted on 03/03/2002 4:50:02 PM PST by Bogie
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To: Bogie
As far as I can tell, it's just another type of fuel air bomb that was designed to be better on caves.

The thermobaric devices are indeed quite like a FAE, but they are designed to approximate low plasma temperatures, and are reinforced when the detonation is enclosed. The russia model seems designed to take out all the rooms on a floor of a concrete reinforced building, from a man-portable rocket.

We've been monkeying around with the same things for some time, but hadn't deployed many devices, especially in small scale applications.

145 posted on 03/03/2002 5:11:06 PM PST by lepton
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To: redsoxallthewayintwothousand2
I HATE THERMONUKES! Do you realize if one of those went off in the artic our coastal cities would be history!?
146 posted on 03/03/2002 5:47:00 PM PST by Chad Bagwell
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To: lepton
Thanks. This adds a whole new chapter to "cave work."
147 posted on 03/03/2002 6:56:12 PM PST by Bogie
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Capybaric bombs.
148 posted on 03/03/2002 7:47:24 PM PST by Pay now bill Clinton
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To: Bogie; lepton; null and void
Thermo-Baric weapons can be delivered by either Hand held devices or Air, as has been shown to us. I myself would not be too happy about delivering them by hand, and the majority of these weapons that were used in Grozny in Chechnya were air delivered, although some were delivered by hand devices.

The TB bomb that we have been briefed on in the British army (same as used in Afghanistan, and don't forget these bombs have been produced as part of an Anglo-American programme), carries a high amount of highly combustible fluid, and works in 4 stages.

1. On detonation, the fluid vaporizes, creating a massive gas cloud.

2. The fluid explodes on contact with oxygen in the air, creating a high-pressure fireball with temperatures reaching between 1,500C and 3,000C (you'll have to work out the Fahrenheit).

3. The high-pressure fireball produces a major shockwave, which expands at 9,850ft per second, until it reaches 2,600ft in diameter. This crushes everything in its path.

4. When the oxygen in the blast area is burnt, it creates a vacuum, and as the fireball recedes, everything that is loose including Humans, are sucked into the void.

The heat produced and blast diameter calculations have been made on the 2,000lb bomb that was dropped in Afghanistan.

Null and void

I'd love to be able to tell you, but unfortunately can't. However, I'm always very dubious about these sort of claims, and to tell the truth, would never want to find myself in a position where I would have to carry out the drills. My beliefs are that the drills were put in place, solely to protect properties and equipment, and that us mere humans would be cooked alive at the temperatures we would be subjected to. But anyway, I'm a sceptical old Sergeant, who has stayed alive through quite a few theatres, by being so.

Den.

149 posted on 03/04/2002 1:04:12 PM PST by dennybabyboy-fitzy
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To: dennybabyboy-fitzy
I don't know, we use simple CS where I work.
150 posted on 03/04/2002 3:37:24 PM PST by Bogie
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To: Bogie
And that would be doing?

We do as well, we put the Recruits through the CS chambers, during NBC tests.

151 posted on 03/04/2002 4:02:39 PM PST by dennybabyboy-fitzy
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To: dennybabyboy-fitzy
State prison system.

Thanx for the info, and God bless.

P.S. I went through one of your courses years ago. However, when we use it, the American Lung Association's slogan becomes real clear: "When you can't breathe, nothing else matters."

Of course, the law requires that there be an escape route.

152 posted on 03/05/2002 12:21:16 AM PST by Bogie
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To: Bogie
State prison system eh!

You gotta tougher job that I do.

153 posted on 03/05/2002 4:21:34 PM PST by dennybabyboy-fitzy
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To: dennybabyboy-fitzy
Yeah, maybe I should have stayed with you guys. Oh well!
154 posted on 03/06/2002 1:49:16 AM PST by Bogie
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