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I’m tired of these atheists’ knocking on my door holding the Book of Darwin
Heartlander

Posted on 02/28/2002 6:35:58 PM PST by Heartlander

I’m tired of these atheists’ knocking on my door holding the Book of Darwin

The THEORY of evolution. Hey, Nice THEORY! No, really – a beautiful story about how man might have been created. The Darwin bible though has been interpreted by many to ‘soot’ their own beliefs. They preach this stuff as it were fact and leave out the most important word of any THEORY - the word ‘IF’.

I mean you never hear them say, “IF’ the Evolution of life on earth proceeded in two stages: chemical and biological. Life on earth must have developed from inorganic materials- what else was there for it to come from? The first stage in the development of life, therefore, was the production of a reproducing cell from materials at hand on the early earth. This process is called chemical evolution.... Once a living, reproducing system was present, the process of natural selection took over to produce the wide variety of life that exists today. This from the gospel of evolution.

They state this mumbo jumbo as if it were fact. They always leave out ‘IF’. I mean, it’s a darn THEORY isn’t it? Heck, they even ridicule those who believe otherwise. They hide behind this so called faith in Darwin. Although Darwin was just a prophet of ‘their’ science.

Hey, don’t get me wrong, I appreciate science. I even think that evolution is an interesting THEORY – but why should we preach about Darwin in our schools. I mean evolution is thoroughly compatible with religion-when the object of worship is evolution; and we must keep a separation between religion and state. It doesn’t say that in the Constitution, but hey, it sounds like a darn good idea!

Don’t get me wrong, some evolutionists are starting to understand Intelligent Design. But there is still a majority that thinks evolution has somehow disproved the existence of God. Wow, even their prophets Darwin and Nietzsche understood the dangers that posed.

I am an American and believe that everyone should worship as they chose, but keep your Darwin propaganda out of my child’s school and my country’s laws. It's like some kind of ACLU / 700 club.


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To: skeeter
You atheists can send your kids to the public schools you helped create.

Well, you musta flunked history. Public schools were pushed by Horace Mann, an ex-Calvanist turned Unitarian. However, Mann couldn't establish the public school system alone. He was aided in his quest for "uniformity" by a Protestant backlash against the Catholic immigration of the time. They were dead set against allowing Catholicism to flourish and therefore were eager to capture youths in a nonsectarianism that was a staple of evangelical Protestantism.

The public school system, hence, is not a product of athiests (too few of us to do anything like that, really.) It is the product of Protestantism.

161 posted on 03/01/2002 7:08:53 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
well good for you!

Blessed are those who believe and have not seen..............it's called 'FAITH' buddy.....I take it you have no idea what that means......I pray you find the light before HE comes or you leave this world....

hunyb

162 posted on 03/01/2002 7:09:13 AM PST by hunyb
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To: hunyb
I pray you find the light before HE comes or you leave this world

So you have a vengeful god then? Too bad.

163 posted on 03/01/2002 7:11:29 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: Pietro
"The prophecies cited are varifiable in secular history and are known to have been written down prior to the event."
Please back up this statement with verifiable secular facts please.
"differing translations of the same original"
And just where is a copy of this original New Testement text? Original as in....John's actual letters. Sorry, but what we read in the Bible are translated copies of translated copies, each translated with bias by the translator.
Oldcats
164 posted on 03/01/2002 7:24:58 AM PST by oldcats
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To: Pietro
The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls which proved the purety of the text over the last 2,000 years is unprecedented.

The Iliad is likewise preserved in its ancient purity. And as for predictions, every war has predictions of victory, on both sides. The winners were the ones who can then claim that their predictions were divinely inspired, but all we really know is that they won the war. And the descendants of Abraham are not quite as numerous as the sands on the beach. Not yet anyway. The re-establishment of Israel is a great historic oddity. I really don't know what to make of that one.

165 posted on 03/01/2002 7:27:28 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: jlogajan
You're right, I'm clueless on history. Does Rev Barry Lynn know Rev Horace Mann?
166 posted on 03/01/2002 7:44:17 AM PST by skeeter
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To: oldcats
1. The desendents (spiritual) of Abraham would include all the Jews, Christians, and Muslims that have ever lived,into the multi-billions. A bold prophecy when it was first written.

2. The Selucid devastation of Isreal is well documented in secular history.

3. The destruction of the temple in Jerusalem is also fairly well documented in secular history.

The New Testament canon, I believe, was codified at the Council of Nicea in the 4th Cen.

167 posted on 03/01/2002 7:44:46 AM PST by Pietro
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168 posted on 03/01/2002 7:46:03 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: RadioAstronomer
Well, at least we don't have the "light gets here at the same time from all the stars" or that "God keeps spinning up the world (like plates on a stick)" posts like the other thread! :)

Not to worry; this thread is still young......

169 posted on 03/01/2002 7:47:59 AM PST by longshadow
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To: tracer
Maybe they were just mute or deaf or both and were collecting for a charity that helps deaf and/or mute people.
Or maybe you just made that up to make your point :-|
170 posted on 03/01/2002 7:50:18 AM PST by BMCDA
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To: Heartlander
Look, the point is that atheists are guilty of many of the same things that they criticize Christians for doing. They preach that there is no God out of the ever-changing book of evolution.

And these guilty by association tactics that they use against Christians… Falwell, Robertson, etc…

The Freerepublic conservative atheists are defending the President daily – the man is a Christian! Why not ridicule him and mock him as you do to other Christians?

The Freerepublic conservative atheists criticize the UCLU… hey, they are your allies… along with college professors who think that sex with animals is fine as long as you get their consent.

Who really are the hypocrites here?

I'm off to the chili cook-off... later

And God Bless!

171 posted on 03/01/2002 8:00:42 AM PST by Heartlander
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To: Pietro
Pardon my confusion on the councils...Can't get Council of Trent out of my mond since seeing "Back to School"....
Yet my point still remains...did certain human scholars make the decision on what should be in the Bible or not?
Your mentioning of those fulfilled prophecies are all well and dandy, but can you quantatively show that they were written before the fact?
And once more...where are the original writtings of the Disciples? What we have is oral history written down many many years after the fact.
Oldcats
172 posted on 03/01/2002 8:04:49 AM PST by oldcats
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To: PatrickHenry
Do you know what the oldest extant complete copy of the Illiad is?

The prophesy concerning the Selucids was a war the Isrealites LOST. One of the key differences in the prophesy's found in the Bible and most other prophecies is that they are brutally honest about the shortcomings of the Jews.

Concerning Isreal.....that's something to think about ain't it.

173 posted on 03/01/2002 8:15:52 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Pietro
Not a personal attack, just a statement of my opinion, telling Creationist that they make me laugh. So, in order to make me NOT laugh, they need to bring something else to the party besides personal insults and attacks.
174 posted on 03/01/2002 8:16:37 AM PST by Aric2000
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To: BMCDA
There is no point. It was just a joke. Think about it - they don't believe in the existence of God, so their message about nothingness is silence.

OK, so it wasn't that good of a joke, but I thought it was... ;~)

(No ridicule of anyone's beliefs was intended.)

175 posted on 03/01/2002 8:19:12 AM PST by tracer
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To: Heartlander
I even think that evolution is an interesting THEORY – but why should we preach about Darwin in our schools.

Maybe because we teach the 'religion' of science in schools. Since it's just a pile of THEORIES in your eyes, do you also think that all basic science, biology, physics, chemistry, and zoology classes should be cancelled as well?

176 posted on 03/01/2002 8:22:38 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: jlogajan
Man, I wish you could understand. He isn't vengeful, He's very loving, but He does give us a choice, and when you don't choose Him, well, the flip side is not pretty. Just be open to Him. Don't be so cynical.

There are forces of good and evil at work in this world, why on earth would you choose evil?

177 posted on 03/01/2002 8:27:12 AM PST by hunyb
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To: oldcats
Yeah, I get the coucil of Trent and the Council of Nicea confused myself, that's why I have to add the qualifier "I believe". Anyway, the prophecy given to Abraham is at least as old as Moses, at a tme when the Jews were few in number, the prophecy from Daniel (Selucids) is known to pre-date the event, even though there is some dispute concerning its exact date. And Jesus' prophecy concerning the temple was relatively contemporaneous to the event, that is w/i that generation, and was widely noted.

Of course human scolars codifed the text, the only known writing by God Himself would be the 10 commandments housed in the Arc of the Covenant. All other writing must necessarily be by human hands.

Concerning who wrote the actual text of the Gospel, there is much historic analysis and debate, however, I don't believe any of the 12 Disciples were involved. Peter, of course, wrote letters and James did as well.

The council itself was called to separate those tracts which were undeniably true and accurate from those which didn't meet high standards of authenticity. The scholars that took on this awesome responsibilty were some of the finest minds of the day and had extensive knowledge as to the source and history of the tracts under discussion.

You shouldn't wonder that this codification process followed the events recorded by a couple of centuries if you consider that the church was persecuted for all that time up until Constantine the Great, again in the 4th century.

178 posted on 03/01/2002 8:50:12 AM PST by Pietro
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To: RadioAstronomer
"light gets here at the same time from all the stars"

Well, it does, doesn't it? :-) It just left the stars at different times.

179 posted on 03/01/2002 9:31:12 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: Pietro
Do you know what the oldest extant complete copy of the Illiad is?

Now that I think of it, I recall that our oldest complete copy was discovered in Instanbul (or somewhere), and it isn't really that old (I don't remember how old). Before that, all we had were fragments. But the "recent" copy was in agreement with the ancient fragments (if I remember correctly). That's not difficult to believe because it was poetry, so it's difficult to change it around or the rhythm would be distorted.

As for win/lose prophesies, we always have prophesies on both sides. Look at the pundits in the US, always predicting that we're getting into "another Viet Nam." Such prophesies mean little, as we can always look back, after the fact, and find a conveniently "accurate" prophecy among all that were made.

180 posted on 03/01/2002 9:32:52 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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