I’m tired of these atheists’ knocking on my door holding the Book of Darwin

Heartlander

[Heartlander]

I’m tired of these atheists’ knocking on my door holding the Book of Darwin

The THEORY of evolution. Hey, Nice THEORY! No, really – a beautiful story about how man might have been created. The Darwin bible though has been interpreted by many to ‘soot’ their own beliefs. They preach this stuff as it were fact and leave out the most important word of any THEORY - the word ‘IF’.

I mean you never hear them say, “IF’ the Evolution of life on earth proceeded in two stages: chemical and biological. Life on earth must have developed from inorganic materials- what else was there for it to come from? The first stage in the development of life, therefore, was the production of a reproducing cell from materials at hand on the early earth. This process is called chemical evolution.... Once a living, reproducing system was present, the process of natural selection took over to produce the wide variety of life that exists today. This from the gospel of evolution.

They state this mumbo jumbo as if it were fact. They always leave out ‘IF’. I mean, it’s a darn THEORY isn’t it? Heck, they even ridicule those who believe otherwise. They hide behind this so called faith in Darwin. Although Darwin was just a prophet of ‘their’ science.

Hey, don’t get me wrong, I appreciate science. I even think that evolution is an interesting THEORY – but why should we preach about Darwin in our schools. I mean evolution is thoroughly compatible with religion-when the object of worship is evolution; and we must keep a separation between religion and state. It doesn’t say that in the Constitution, but hey, it sounds like a darn good idea!

Don’t get me wrong, some evolutionists are starting to understand Intelligent Design. But there is still a majority that thinks evolution has somehow disproved the existence of God. Wow, even their prophets Darwin and Nietzsche understood the dangers that posed.

I am an American and believe that everyone should worship as they chose, but keep your Darwin propaganda out of my child’s school and my country’s laws. It's like some kind of ACLU / 700 club.

[xm177e2]

Do you believe the absence of God in schools was the intent by our Founding Fathers?

Yes? They were mostly deists, not Christians, so the Christian God would not appear in their schools... and that means they wouldn't necessarily be opposed to evolution, either.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Try this one: "The laws of physics have not always been the same." This directly questions a fundamental assumption of what today calls itself "science" that has forgotten that it is but a small twig on the branch called "natural philosophy" but rather pretends that it is the main trunk of the tree.

[TerryInRiverside]

Forget about the "faith" stuff, but you refuse to subscibe to the Intelligent Design concept. Does ID reguire faith too? Does unintelligent design sound more plausible to you? Just curious

[Stultis]

But where do those who believe in evolution get off passing along their theory as empirical fact?

Oh, it's just that we haven't had time to stop beating our wives lately.

I think you will find that most knowledgeable evolutionists "pass along" theory as theory and fact as fact. The distinction is actually important to us, as the very purpose of a scientific theory is to explain facts, and the role of facts is to test theories. We are therefore eager to point out the large arrays of facts (patterns of both genetic and morphological similarities, patterns of biogeographical distribution, the temporal ordering and sequential appearances and disappearances of fossil organisms in the geological column, observations of in situ speciation and evidence of historically recent speciation events, etc, etc) that are non-gratuitously explained only on the assumption of common descent. We are also happy to point out that evolution is incompatible with many otherwise plausible facts (29 Evidences for Macroevolution provides surveys of both facts uniquely explained by evolution, and potentional falsifications) and that, like other genuinely scientific theories, it is thereby vulnerable to many possible falsifications, but has withstood these tests.

Finally, we evolutionists tend to find it is creationists who have faulty, simplistic, incoherent or (quite often) pathological misunderstandings of the relationship between theories and facts.

[RadioAstronomer]

The laws of physics have not always been the same

I gather what you are implying is that as we further out understanding of the natural world thru experimentation and discovery, our subsequent views change also. I don't see a problem here. (And what are these "laws" you are talking about?)

[RadioAstronomer]

Well said.

[Light Speed]

I was chatting with a Doctor recently who does not adhere to the evolution principle.
He commented that scientists have discovered a reality concerning DNA that has them baffled.
DNA Degrades over time.
With this comes the insight.."What has kept mans DNA signature intact"?
Over time it would have degraded..and mankind would be unable to reproduce.
Along with this came another discovery...a mobile mechanism that transited the DNA continually..self writting it...or self correcting to keep the common structure intact and from degrading.
Like a "Pig" that shoots along a pipeline cleaning it..this system keeps our DNA intact.
Questions were posed:
If evolution was the true reality...how then could a Human DNA understand decay..and then how could it fashion a self writting chemical mechanism to solve this problem.
Why would DNA even consider this unless it was sentiant.
Doctors concluded that DNA is not sentiant.

[Aric2000]

Intelligent design states just that, that sometime in the past, someone or something designed us. Who? where is this person or entity? introduce me to him, face to face. Let me shake his hand, claw, tentacle or whatever.

Evolution, survival of the fittest. The DNA goes through a slight change every time an animal is born, sometimes minor, sometimes MAJOR. If it works, it is passed on, if it doesn't, that life form dies and does NOT reproduce it's genes and that change dies out. The changes that work, continue, the ones that don't stop. Makes perfect sense to me. Considering that a new generation can pop up every 12-15 years for the human species, this is pretty quick when you compare it to 2 million years or so. Which tells me that the changes can happen pretty quickly, minor in 3-4 generations, Major in 10-15 generations. This is NO time at all compared to the amount of time that we as a mammal have been here.

Intelligent design is trying to combine Creationism and evolution, and make it palatable to both. Therefore faith has to come into play with Intelligent design, you have to have faith that indeed something designed us, even though there is no proof to that effect.

[f.Christian]

I’m tired of these atheists’ knocking on my door holding the Comic Book of Darwin!

[tauneutrino]

I usuallly lurk and almost never post. But I have to ask. Why do you have it in for RadioAstronomer? What has he/she done to you? Lately you seem to be following that individual thru the threads trashing him/her personally.

[powderhorn]

Silly? What is more silly than to believe something came from absolutely nothing? The materials that chemically evolved to create the first living creature with a reproductive system, where did these come from?

You would like to think that science claims "something came from absolutely nothing." But science says that every effect has a cause.

Actually, everything, absolutely everything on earth, rocks, leaves, living animals, all came from hydrogen. That gold filling you might have in your mouth was not made by any known natural process on earth. It started out as hydrogen, compressed by the forces of a sun. Before it got to earth it was expelled by an exploding sun, then eventually became part of the earth.

Our earth, our solar system, all the solar systems in the universe were made from hydrogen. All that is, is made from hydrogen that was forged by the four dimentional forces: Gravity, the Strong Force, the Weak Force and Electromagnetism. And life too, came from hydrogen.

[Aric2000]

He trashes anyone that can actually explain evolution and scientific theories in a simple and coherent way.

It makes him crazy, Radioastronomer knows his stuff, and writes it out very well. Unlike me, I tend to wander and go off on rants etc. Radioastronomer is dangerous to fchristian, because of that coherent way of writing and explaining that he has. So he does whatever he can to discredit him, by personally attacking etc, because he has NO facts to debate Radioastronomer with.

I find it pretty sad actually, and it makes F Christian look like some kind of crazy fanatic, whoops, that's right, he is a fanatic. NEVER MIND.....

[lavaroise]

Come to the door naked. It works for Jehovah's Witnesses.

Maybe it works for them, but I am afraid Darwinians just want that to happen to compare each others' evolved features, like German aryanism obsessed fascists. In fact, you bring a good point. I can see the headlines: Darwinian class "nakes" children, parents outraged.

[tauneutrino]

Thanks for the reply. I guess F.Christian ignored my question.

[RadioAstronomer]

Aric! Thanks for the kind words!!! :) tauneutrino, thanks for pointing it out. I was getting tired of it. :)

[Junior]

DNA Degrades over time. With this comes the insight.."What has kept mans DNA signature intact"?

DNA in a dead organism degrades within 50,000 years; this is fairly long enough that biologists have been able to establish relationships through genetic analysis between some extinct animals and their extant relatives.

DNA in living critters is constantly being repaired by enzymes. Sometimes the DNA is damaged beyond repair, but this is typically a localized event within an organism (affecting a few cells, not the entire being). This results in such things as cancer.

Truthfully, there is no problem here.

[Junior]

Evolution, survival of the fittest.

Not quite. Evolution is:

• Survival of the most adapted to a particular environment.
• Survival of the most sexually attractive to the opposite sex.
• Survival of the most able to alter the environment.
• Survival of those most capable of cooperating to overcome the environment.
• Etc.

"Survival of the fittest" is tossed out as some sort of indictment of evolution, but creationists seldom actually attempt to understand what that phrase means, instead believing it means that individuals battle against their fellows for survival regardless of the consequences. Such a simplistic view, if carried to its logical conclusion, would indicate that life would have rendered itself nonliving ages ago. Biologists have long known that "survival of the fittest" is a much more complicated concept than creationists believe -- the trouble is educating creationists that their particular view is seldom observed in nature.

[PatrickHenry]

A tiny taste of the famous "list-o-links" (so the creationists don't get to start each new thread from ground zero).

01: Site that debunks virtually all of creationism's fallacies. Excellent resource.
02: Creation "Science" Debunked.
03: Creationi sm and Pseudo Science. Familiar cartoon then lots of links.
04: The SKEPTIC annotated bibliography. Amazingly great meta-site!
05: The Evidence for Human Evolution. For the "no evidence" crowd.
06: Massi ve mega-site with thousands of links on evolution, creationism, young earth, etc..
07: Another amazing site full of links debunking creationism.
08: Creationism and Pseudo Science. Great cartoon!
09: Glenn R. Morton's site about creationism's fallacies. Another jennyp contribution.
11: Is Evolution Science?. Successful PREDICTIONS of evolution (Moonman62).
12: Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution. On point and well-written.
13: Frequently Asked But Never Answered Questions. A creationist nightmare!
14: DARWIN, FULL TEXT OF HIS WRITINGS. The original ee-voe-lou-shunist.

The foregoing was just a tiny sample. So that everyone will have access to the accumulated "Creationism vs. Evolution" threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review: The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 15].

[Non-Sequitur]

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein.

[Pietro]

" What a bunch of nuts........You guys are a scream, an absolute scream, I laugh every time I see you post, ....no real back up for what he says, just an attack to descredit whomever disagrees with him. "

This this post is what?? A personal attack to discredit. That would make you a what?

Hypocrite.

Now that's funny.