Not that they have figured out what we believe...
For it they had, then they would not constantly get it wrong. The only other option is that they intentionally lie about it and that wouldn't be very nice. I'd prefer that they really are just somewhat blinded by what we believe.
Let's talk about the "Secret Arminian Society" whereby the grace of God is [not] FREE FOR ALL. For it it were free for all, then the Arminian would share it with all. Since, we can by evidence of this thread know that it is not, we can conclude that Arminianism is an exclusive club whereas Christianity to a Calvinist is FREE FOR ALL for the Calvinist makes it available to all: "Christ died for sinners, DO YOU QUALIFY. Christ died for the ungodly, DO YOU QUALIFY. Repent and Believe!"
Anybody who desires may come and embrace the gospel that the Calvinist freely proclaims. Whereas one must know the "secret handshake" and have the "decoder ring" in order to become an Arminian for they are too exclusive to share it with the lost.
The Arminian really doesn't care about the lost more than he hates Calvinism. For if he care about the lost more than he hated Calvinism then he would join the Calvinist and call for the mormon to "repent and believe" and he would share this same gospel with the rest of the lost.
The Arminian is really secretly ashamed of the gospel they preach. For if they were not ashamed of their gospel, then they would proclaim it.
The Arminian really believes that Mormonism is a TRUE gospel and therefore able to save. For it were a false gospel then they would say as much. They might realize that any man might die on any given day and they would call the Mormon to repent.
Now, the above will not be well received, but maybe one might stop and consider that they are not contending for their faith as much as they are contending against Calvinism, no matter what the cost.
This is the bottom line Woody..they would rather see people lost and burning in hell than allow God to be Sovereign.
Now, the above will not be well received, but maybe one might stop and consider that they are not contending for their faith as much as they are contending against Arminianism, no matter what the cost.
This thread is a sermon entitled "On Free Grace" by John Wesley.
You CHOOSE to come here to denounce it.
How clever of you Woody to attempt a Saturday night massacre in the hopes that latecomers to the thread would not scroll back.
xzins has spent DAYS attempting to define the TULIP concept in a valid, and fair attempt to define exactly what you DO believe. He has repeatedly asked for every Calvinist on this thread to offer edits, which he has offered to make until the definitions meet your satisfaction.
He has also offered the five Arminian objections for consideration.
What you believe is all over this thread.
We disagree with it, but we know what it is.