Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: JMJ333
There is nothing communist or collectivist about having community standards that are based in concrete morality.

Individual rights are the only concrete foundation there is for a moral code. All other codes are formed out of a collectivist strain of philosophy.

I don't want a whore house operating next door to my family and there be nothing I can do about it.

There is something you can do if you don't like the content of your neighborhood. You can move to a different one. Better yet, you can put your money where your mouth is and purchase enough land to form a buffer zone so that your neighbors activities will not bother you. Of course, I'm sure you find it much easier to go exert some political pull and dictate the behaviors of your neighbors according to your own personal standards by force. That's some morality you've got there.

That type of enviornment attracts criminals. My neighbor's right to act like a deviant doesn't outweigh my right to decency. And since concrete truths exist, we as a society have a moral obligation to recognize and promote them.

You have no "right" to decency. You have the right to not be harmed by force or fraud. So long as your neighbors activities do not exert force or fraud upon you, you have no moral grounds to initiate force against them. Once again, I'll remind you that individual rights are the one and only concrete truth. You may choose to adopt others based upon your own chosen form of mysticism, but that certainly does not give you the right to foist them on others at the point of a badge and gun.

A deviant can wallow in the sewer and bring criminals and rif-raf around my family, but I can't do anything about it until one of them comes and assaults me?

That is correct. You have no grounds to initiate violence against others, except in self defense. Otherwise, it is you who is the rif-raf criminal in the neighborhood. Frankly, I would much rather live next door to a prostitute than to a Mrs. Grundy who seeks to impose their self righteous lifestyle on everyone else.

In the real world criminals and deviants act like what they are, and they shouldn't be given the opportunity to do it anywhere they choose--a thumbs up from society to do whatever wherever.

Yes, I understand that you do act like what you are. However, I would not move to prevent you until you actually violated rights. Furthermore, it is not about doing whatever, wherever. It is about people's right to use their own property as they wish, until such time as their actions violate the rights of others. Unfortunately, you seem to think you have the right to infringe upon the property rights of others and dictate your preferences upon them. That makes you a member of the collectivist clan.

I'm the lowest of the low because I wouldn't want prostitues and drug addicts around my family, and nothing I can do about it?

No, you are the lowest of the low because you choose to violate the rights of others. As I've already stated, you do have options that do not violate other's rights. You just find it easier to resort to force to get your way.

Social disease my foot. They have a will and they choose what they like. I'll not de-stigmatize their abhorrent behavior because of the faliability of human nat

We aren't talking about destigmatizing. We are talking about you championing the use of force. You can stigmatize your neighbors all you want, provided you don't slander them in the process.

185 posted on 02/24/2002 3:08:13 PM PST by Jolly Rodgers
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 184 | View Replies ]


To: Jolly Rodgers
Individual rights are the only concrete foundation there is for a moral code. All other codes are formed out of a collectivist strain of philosophy.

Typical athiest amoral psychobabble.

You have no "right" to decency. You have the right to not be harmed by force or fraud. So long as your neighbors activities do not exert force or fraud upon you, you have no moral grounds to initiate force against them. Once again, I'll remind you that individual rights are the one and only concrete truth. You may choose to adopt others based upon your own chosen form of mysticism, but that certainly does not give you the right to foist them on others at the point of a badge and gun.

What a joke. I guess its okay with you if your neighbors can prostitute themselves, flagging down tricks on the corner. If your daughter decides to join them, I assume you have no problem because, after all, being a whore is wonderful.

That is correct. You have no grounds to initiate violence against others, except in self defense. Otherwise, it is you who is the rif-raf criminal in the neighborhood. Frankly, I would much rather live next door to a prostitute than to a Mrs. Grundy who seeks to impose their self righteous lifestyle on everyone else.

A person living by a moral code of decency is the rif-raf and the whores are the heros in your book. Don't worry, I do understand where you come from. There is no right or wrong in your world. Incest between a grown father and daughter is okay with you because you live in a subjective libertopia where the only thing you care about is your right to act like a pig isn't infringed upon.

Yes, I understand that you do act like what you are. However, I would not move to prevent you until you actually violated rights. Furthermore, it is not about doing whatever, wherever. It is about people's right to use their own property as they wish, until such time as their actions violate the rights of others. Unfortunately, you seem to think you have the right to infringe upon the property rights of others and dictate your preferences upon them. That makes you a member of the collectivist clan.

Right...picking up tricks in a family neighborhood infringes upon no one. Garbage.

No, you are the lowest of the low because you choose to violate the rights of others. As I've already stated, you do have options that do not violate other's rights. You just find it easier to resort to force to get your way.

And you're a mean self-serving jerk who has no standards and wants no standards for anything. You and Peter Singer could be kin. Your low because you can't recognize truth even if it bit you in the arz--that people whoring up and down a family neighborhood is wrong. Concretely wrong.

We aren't talking about destigmatizing. We are talking about you championing the use of force. You can stigmatize your neighbors all you want, provided you don't slander them in the process.

Whatever. Talk to yourself. You're the only one who's listening anyway.

187 posted on 02/24/2002 3:33:18 PM PST by JMJ333
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 185 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson