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To: Jolly Rodgers
Individual rights are the only concrete foundation there is for a moral code. All other codes are formed out of a collectivist strain of philosophy.

Typical athiest amoral psychobabble.

You have no "right" to decency. You have the right to not be harmed by force or fraud. So long as your neighbors activities do not exert force or fraud upon you, you have no moral grounds to initiate force against them. Once again, I'll remind you that individual rights are the one and only concrete truth. You may choose to adopt others based upon your own chosen form of mysticism, but that certainly does not give you the right to foist them on others at the point of a badge and gun.

What a joke. I guess its okay with you if your neighbors can prostitute themselves, flagging down tricks on the corner. If your daughter decides to join them, I assume you have no problem because, after all, being a whore is wonderful.

That is correct. You have no grounds to initiate violence against others, except in self defense. Otherwise, it is you who is the rif-raf criminal in the neighborhood. Frankly, I would much rather live next door to a prostitute than to a Mrs. Grundy who seeks to impose their self righteous lifestyle on everyone else.

A person living by a moral code of decency is the rif-raf and the whores are the heros in your book. Don't worry, I do understand where you come from. There is no right or wrong in your world. Incest between a grown father and daughter is okay with you because you live in a subjective libertopia where the only thing you care about is your right to act like a pig isn't infringed upon.

Yes, I understand that you do act like what you are. However, I would not move to prevent you until you actually violated rights. Furthermore, it is not about doing whatever, wherever. It is about people's right to use their own property as they wish, until such time as their actions violate the rights of others. Unfortunately, you seem to think you have the right to infringe upon the property rights of others and dictate your preferences upon them. That makes you a member of the collectivist clan.

Right...picking up tricks in a family neighborhood infringes upon no one. Garbage.

No, you are the lowest of the low because you choose to violate the rights of others. As I've already stated, you do have options that do not violate other's rights. You just find it easier to resort to force to get your way.

And you're a mean self-serving jerk who has no standards and wants no standards for anything. You and Peter Singer could be kin. Your low because you can't recognize truth even if it bit you in the arz--that people whoring up and down a family neighborhood is wrong. Concretely wrong.

We aren't talking about destigmatizing. We are talking about you championing the use of force. You can stigmatize your neighbors all you want, provided you don't slander them in the process.

Whatever. Talk to yourself. You're the only one who's listening anyway.

187 posted on 02/24/2002 3:33:18 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Typical athiest amoral psychobabble.

You advocate a blatantly immoral code and accuse me of being ammoral. That's about as absurd as the French and Russians getting caught cheating in the olympic judging and then hollering about how they are the victims. What hoot!

What a joke. I guess its okay with you if your neighbors can prostitute themselves, flagging down tricks on the corner. If your daughter decides to join them, I assume you have no problem because, after all, being a whore is wonderful.

No, it is not okay with me. However, so long as they do not violate rights, I am not justified in the initiation of force to impose my moral code upon them. Unlike you, I will not stoop to the level of violating the rights of others in a feel good scheme to protect people from their own choices which do not violate the rights of others.

A person living by a moral code of decency is the rif-raf and the whores are the heros in your book.

Your moral code, as you've advocated here, is anything but decent. Is the most abhorrent example of abuse. You use the same exact justification that the monsters of the 20th century used while oppressing and exterminating their fellow man. Your moral code is corrupt. It is a necrosis on the flesh of society.

Don't worry, I do understand where you come from. There is no right or wrong in your world.

On the contrary. I uphold a very strong position on justice, right and wrong. As such, I judge your stand on this issue as evil.

Incest between a grown father and daughter is okay with you because you live in a subjective libertopia where the only thing you care about is your right to act like a pig isn't infringed upon.

You are the one acting like a pig with your filthy analogies. Frankly I have to wonder why you are obsessed with drugs, prostitution and incest. I suppose that is just one more symptom of your diseased moral code.

Right...picking up tricks in a family neighborhood infringes upon no one. Garbage.

Perhaps you would care to explain EXACTLY which right of yours has been violated if your neighbor accepts cash in exchange for having sexual intercourse with an acquaintence? Be specific now. I want to know exactly which right of yours has been violated.

And you're a mean self-serving jerk who has no standards and wants no standards for anything.

On the contrary. I do want standards. The difference between you and me is that I'll seek to achieve those standards through persuasion and mutual contractual agreement. You seek to impose your standards at the muzzle of a government gun.

You and Peter Singer could be kin.

I'm afraid you've got it backwards again. It is your perverted system that would allow a Peter Singer to convince his neighbors that they have a "right" to live in a neighborhood free of imperfect or deformed or colored children and then pass a law to eliminate them. My moral code declares that each and every human, even the pre-born child, has individual rights which must be protected. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that you even advocate abortion in cases of rape. Tell me if I'm wrong.

Your low because you can't recognize truth even if it bit you in the arz--that people whoring up and down a family neighborhood is wrong. Concretely wrong.

There you go obsessing with illicit sex again. Are you sick, or just frustrated?

Whatever. Talk to yourself. You're the only one who's listening anyway.

It is obvious that you do not listen. Nevertheless, since I choose not to engage in bullying or violence, I will continue to simply express my disagreement with your foul ideas using words. I doubt you'll bother to actually read them, but it will give you another opportunity to fantasize about nasty sex stuff.

211 posted on 02/25/2002 6:16:47 PM PST by Jolly Rodgers
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