SASU Talking Points

ArGee | 2/22/02 | ArGee and SASU members

[Khepera]

Be sure to help us locate others who can post well thought out adult responses to this or any issue we face as Americans. We need to put the adults back in charge and we need for the adults to stand together so that we can have a positive impact on our society and help it to grow.

[OWK]

I'll ask once more....

You really don't understand why your plan to imprison all homosexuals, would be depriving them of their right to free speech (along with countless other rights)?

[Cogadh na Sith]

Are you saying that our posts turn you on?

It certainly seems to get you guys all in a lather.

All jumping up and down squealing about the evil things gays do to each other. It's creepy.

[MadameAxe]

It seems to me that people who enjoy making unkind and untrue insinuations about other forum members--usually behind their backs--have a lot of nerve calling themselves "Christians".

I find it odd, and frankly, repulsive that you all seem to spend more time thinking about homosexuals and describing their perverted activities to each other, than homosexuals themselves do.

Does it give you some kind of cheap thrill to imagine yourselves slamming other human beings into prisons, or perhaps being the ones with the torch to light the bonfire?

[Khepera]

Please do not reply to juvenal taunting. let them look foolish and demand respect by only replying to respectful responses.

[Khepera]

No Madam it is our responsibility as adults to point out when people are doing destructive things. When we tell the truth and speak our minds. We are being kind by caring about those who participate in destructive behaviors. By telling them their behavior is destructive we help them to grow into mature responsible human beings. We do not get pleasure from putting criminals in Jail but will do so to protect our children and responsible members in society. I advocate the removal if need be of people who pervert and destroy us as a civilized nation. To allow homosexuals to degrade themselves and others is irresponsible. To allow the homosexuals to commit statutory rape of our children by pushing their perverted ideas upon our young is irresponsible. Their behavior and their treatment of others is unacceptable. We will reinforce positive attitudes and behaviors and provide discipline to those who abuse us.

[ArGee]

It seems to me that people who enjoy making unkind and untrue insinuations about other forum members--usually behind their backs--have a lot of nerve calling themselves "Christians".

I assume you have an example of someone making unkind and untrue (if it's true it is not unkind) insinuations about other forum members?

Shalom.

[ArGee]

We do not get pleasure from putting criminals in Jail but will do so to protect our children and responsible members in society.

You and I have never really talked this out because there has been so much else to do. You make some valid points about the importance of putting people who make SAD displays in public, but I am a little uncomfortable about the idea of jailing someone who, for example, simply walked hand in hand with someone of the same sex. I actually prefer simple social discrimination to enforcing a law.

On the other hand, there are egregious behaviors that should not be tolerated - either SAD or heterosexual displays that are meant to be held behind closed doors. But more simple displays - I don't know. Attempting suicide is a crime (or it used to be) but when someone actually survives an attempt we don't imprison them, we get help for them.

Your thoughts?

If we get this talked all the way through, the result will make a great addition to our talking points.

Shalom.

[Khepera]

I would like to urge our members to always flag a person who you mention by name in your posts. We shall avoid being accused of talking behind their backs. If you wish to discuss someone in private then send it in a freepmail.

[Khepera]

Holding hands is acceptable because someone may be simply giving another support or assistance in walking. Kissing is not acceptable in public between members of the same sex especially when it is done in an obviously sexual manor. There are always judgement calls which need to be made. We are commanded by God to use our judgement and question what is good. We for the most part can determine what is good and what is not. When we make mistakes we take it into court so that others can verify our actions. Once a determination is made that we where wrong then we accept that but, we must error on the side of safety when in doubt.

[Lurking Libertarian]

So how do you suppose this trashes freedom of speech? What speech are we eliminating?

Your earlier post said, IIRC-- and please correct me if I'm wrong-- that homosexuals should have tp "hide their homosexuality" in order to "avoid prison." That sounds to me like it would restrict a homosexual's freedom to say, e.g., "I am a homosexual." But I may have misinterpreted you.

[ArGee]

Once a determination is made that we where wrong then we accept that but, we must error on the side of safety when in doubt.

So it sounds like we are on a similar page. We are not more likely to ask for the arrest of a homosexual couple engaged in a deep kiss than a heterosexual couple. But, it is more destructive to the culture to allow a homosexual couple to kiss in public than a heterosexual couple. The heterosexual couple is demonstrating poor taste. The homosexual couple is demonstrating perversity that we don't ever want to mistake for normal.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

I would suggest that you don't even talk about someone behind their backs in a FReepmail.

We should be willing to live in the light.

Shalom.

[Khepera]

Thank you for responding in a thoughtful manner. Even now you could walk into any police station in America and say “I am a thief. I shoplift and I steal all the time.” You can say these things to everyone you see and they will not arrest you. What you are providing is hearsay. There is no proof that what you say is true. Now if you provide proof then they will arrest you. Just saying “I am a homosexual” is not proof of anything except that you obviously have a problem discerning right from wrong maybe or you have a possible mental disorder. This does not warrant an arrest. You could even walk in and say “I kill people all the time, I am a murder!” without much fear. I would warn you that if you make these statements that you may be held for a short period of time for questioning but they could not arrest you for saying these things without proof. No freedom of speech violations here.

[Cogadh na Sith]

We are not more likely to ask for the arrest of a homosexual couple engaged in a deep kiss than a heterosexual couple. But, it is more destructive to the culture to allow a homosexual couple to kiss in public than a heterosexual couple.

I notice that you only describe homosexual kiss as deep, not the hetero kiss.

Hmmmmmmm... That's odd and creepy.