Posted on 02/22/2002 2:35:45 AM PST by kattracks
There is a difference between opinion and fact. Facts require objective tests. Opinions are purely subjective and often have no empirical evidence. Substituting opinion for objectivity is unethical.
Oh... they only said that is is not as harmful as once believed. Yeah... BIG difference there. You are acting like a sleaze-ball lawyer trying to defend the indefensible on this one. According to the study, sexual relationships between adults and children are not as harmful as once believed, and not all childhood victims of sexual abuse necessarily suffer mental illness as a result. YES, the APA, by minimizing the effects on the child, of an adult having sex with children, is taking steps toward normalizing it if not condoning it.
And, the DSM-IV Bible now contends, unless "the fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" (DSM-IV, p. 528). So long as adults having sexual activity with children are not impaired or distressed by their behavior, there is no DSM-IV diagnosable mental disorder. So, as long as the pedophile functions "normally" on the job and out and about other people.
And, yes, only after a LOT of outrage, from the public and Congressman Tom DeLay, over the report, did the APA Board of Trustees finally write a resolution that stated that the APA "repudiates and disassociates itself from any organization or publication that advocates sexual interaction between children and adults."
Just as NOW no longer is about women's rights, rather it is about liberal advocacy, the APA has become a political advocate. In 1973 the APA made a politicized decision to take homosexuality off its list of disorders. Now they have headed the same direction with pedophilia.
It's stupid to rant and rave about wanting to hang queer radicals with a rope. It is much more effective to hang them with their own words.
I'm sorry, but I must disagree with virtually EVERYTHING you have said in this whole thread, esp. at the end.
From ALL anecdotal and written evidence I have ever witnessed, in EVERY case, the male Sodomite was EXCESSIVELY CLOSE to their mother and/or had no father or male role model at home during the first three years of their life...and the female Sodomite was EXCESSIVELY CLOSE to their father and/or had no mother or female role model at home during the first three years of life.
Ever heard of "the formative years?" They're called that for a reason...because that is when the basis of your attitudes and belief system is developed. In short, a BABY or SMALL CHILD DOES NOT CHOOSE to have a propensity to prefer their own sex---their PARENTS' BEHAVIOUR toward them causes it.
Since people do not have RECOLLECTION from their BIRTH, as far as THEY know, they were "born that way"...they truthfully don't KNOW any different. But just as someone who is abused physically, mentally or emotionally in other ways didn't CAUSE their own resulting emotional state, they CAN get psychotherapy to REVERSE their abnormal emotional state and return them to a "normal" state---with time.
When people CHOOSE to have sex---either heterosexual or homosexual---that is a CHOICE they make. No one FORCES them to CHOOSE one way or the other. NATURE, however, tells them that HETEROSEXUAL SEX is the NATURAL way. Animals out in nature don't mate with their own sex! It isn't NATURAL---i.e. it isn't of nature.
Something I've thought about recently is that it isn't what someone does in their BEDROOM that causes the problem. It's the fact that Sodomites CONSTANTLY want to TELL us about what they do in their bedroom!
If they would keep their BEDROOM activities in their BEDROOM and OUT of the WORKPLACE and SCHOOLS, and QUIT CHOOSING to ACT and TALK EFFEMINATE (in the case of males) or as a BUTCH (in the case of females), NO ONE WOULD HAVE A CLUE WHAT THEY DO IN THEIR BEDROOM!!!!!!!
I repeat:
It's NOT what they do in their BEDROOM that is the problem...It's what they do and how they CHOOSE to BEHAVE IN PUBLIC, such as at WORK and SCHOOL!
Believe me, Sodomites CHOOSE to ACT and SPEAK the way they do. If they WANTED to, they could ACT and SPEAK without the lisp/swoosh or butch-type voice or walk. If they couldn't, there wouldn't be such things as ACTORS in Hollywood...they ACT!
I like to think of it like hearing a black person who CHOOSES to SPEAK and ACT in "jive" (or whatever they call it). They CHOOSE to do it---they're NOT "born that way!" And neither are Sodomites!
gerfang refuses to admit the truth. I don't understand why he feels (or at least seems to feel) so threathened by the fact that people can be cured of SAD.
It's not like anyone is expecting him to change. We just want those who want to be healthy to have the freedom to become healthy without ridicule by 'their' community
GSA(P)
I agree that a strong moral code helped build our nation. I agree that religion and strong families were a big part of that heritage. But I disagree that gay men and women are trying to destroy the family; they are just trying to get along. You see homosexuals as a threat because in order for your value system to be effective, it must be universal. Reparative therapy is a means to incorporate homosexuals into that system.
But it doesnt work. If homosexuals are not sexually attracted to the opposite sex any heterosexual marriage they enter into is a sham. Fraud or force will not change this. The mere fact of the existence of homosexuals causes people to question the values that you hold dear and they are right to do so. And if those moral values you champion are rejected, it is not the fault of some conspiracy to do ill. Rather it is because those cultural values failed to meet the needs of our society.
When questions arise about the foundations of our cultural values we have two choices: Suppress the evidence or modify our values. Attempts to suppress the evidence by social conservative have been less than successful. I understand your concerns and I respect your ideals. But the world you want to create cannot be. A value system that doesnt reflect objective reality isnt worth keeping and will hold our nation back.
GSA(P)
Ask them if they have experienced and increase in heterosexual arousal since beginning reparative therapy. There is no evidence that they do, even at the NARTH site.
Since when is marriage about sex?
the one phrase that always comes to mind when talking to you is
"There is none so blind as he which refuses to see"
There are thousands of cases where reparative therapy has worked. Even if there was only one, reparative therapy works. try recognizing truth once, you may like it.
God Save America (Please)
You're welcome! We need to get the information out to as many parents as possible. The many links together show that the brainwashing of kids (and their parents!) by homosexuals is a well planned attack that is speading to schools across the nation.
The myths that many parents believe that need to be dispelled are
1. Homosexuality has been proven to be genetic or biological
2. Homosexuals make up 10 percent of the population and are a minority in need of special civil rights protection
3. The reason for including homosexuality in the school curriculum is to promote tolerance and safety.
I've found the following links to be very useful when talking to parents about the homosexual agenda:
Listen to Mass. Depts of Education and Health instruct children on the mechanics of homosexuality.
"On March 25, 2000 the Massachusetts Departments of Education and Health teamed up with the national gay and lesbian group GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian, Straight Education Network) and conducted a conference for school children and educators. The conference was held under the guise of tolerance and safe schools. However, as the Parent's Rights Coalition discovered, this conference was about teaching children the unsafe mechanics of homosexuality. Following the conference, organizers denied claims of misconduct made by the Parent's Rights Coalition. Organizers were forced to concede the truth after the Parent's Rights Coalition made public an audio recording from the conference, which substantiated their claims..."
"THE GAY GENE: GOING, GOING GONE"
The Overhauling of Straight America
GLSEN Encourages Teens In Anal SEX "Don't give up."
"Recommended Reading for Teenagers? A Closer Look at P-FLAG"
After the parent realizes they've been lied to by many in the homosexual community, I provide them with the following information:
How To Protect Your Children From PRO-HOMOSEXUALITY PROPAGANDA In Schools
And for teens, the two links I posted in #55 above (I just found these a couple of days ago):
Choice 4 Truth (http://www.choice4truth.com/)
(Direct link to student section: http://www.choice4truth.com/index-teens.html)
Truthatschool.org (http://www.truthatschool.org/)
If parents want additional information, send them to GrandMoM's thread.
"...It's stupid to rant and rave about wanting to hang queer radicals with a rope. It is much more effective to hang them with their own words."
I very much agree with you! As I've stated previously, We will bury them with their own words.
If human beings didnt have sex, there would be no such thing as marriage.
the one phrase that always comes to mind when talking to you is "There is none so blind as he which refuses to see"
I try very hard to be objective. If you believe Im being deceptive, theres little I can do to dissuade you.
There are thousands of cases where reparative therapy has worked. Even if there was only one, reparative therapy works. try recognizing truth once, you may like it.
And heres how to do that: Take a group of gay men and measure their levels of homosexual and heterosexual attraction using a consistent and reliable mechanism. Subject them in a controlled manner to reparative therapy for a given amount of time. Then measure their heterosexual and homosexual attractions again. If a statistically significant increase in heterosexual attraction were noted, I would gladly recount my objections. NARTH is unwilling or unable to do this.
Please stop substituting personal desire for truth.
In Their Own Words: The Homosexual Agenda:
"Homosexual activist Michelangelo Signorile, who writes periodically for The New York Times, summarizes the agenda in OUT magazine:
...to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes, but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution...
The most subversive action lesbian and gay men can undertake --and one that would perhaps benefit all of society--is to transform the notion of family entirely." "Its the final tool with which to dismantle all sodomy statues, get education about homosexuality and AIDS into the public schools and in short to usher in a sea change in how society views and treats us."
Here's what two leaders of the homosexual community wrote in The Overhauling of Straight America:
"The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights. To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion....
At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full appreciation or understanding of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders, then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won.
The way to benumb raw sensitivities about homosexuality is to have a lot of people talk a great deal about the subject in a neutral or supportive way...
And when we say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that. In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First let the camel get his nose inside the tent -- and only later his unsightly derriere!"
"...While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency. Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science and Public Opinion (the shield and word of that accursed secular humanism). Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work again here..."
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