Posted on 02/20/2002 1:21:09 AM PST by kattracks
At first I thought Fleischer screwed up, but Bush really will sign this as long as the Senate doesn't put in something he opposes.
I don't think he will(ASSUMING it gets out of the senate). He's too good a pol. he has to realise that this piece of @#&^% would so alienate his base on the right that he would have to spend the next 3 yrs. trying to get it back. It's not worth it for something that has no legs outside the beltway.
I think McConnell can bottle this bill up or at least change the Senate version enough to send this conference.
Bush has laid the intellectual groundwork to veto this thing if it does come out in its present form. I think he just waited for the Enron thing to subside.
He should fire a warning shot over their bow, btw. That might help McConnell in the Senate.
Hey, Chris! FSPress alerted me on post #15 to an interesting article. Can you check that out and let me know your opinion of that?? I put links on post #55 to the Washington Post article and to the FR article on post #59.
Thanks. . .
I hope you're right on that. As another FReeper pointed out to me - and rightfully so - Bush swore an oath to uphold the Constitution of the US. The limits on Free Speech contained in the bill go against the constitution. Based on principal, Bush should NOT sign it. He also opposed this when he campaigned.
Parts of it do. The increase in the amount of money a candidate can raise is one. But other than that I don't see anything else.
LOL! That'll NEVER happen again!. . .
I know you're just pitching a temper tantrum, but you know you can't silence the worst of society without silencing the best....or can we?
I maintain that TV/Radio "spots" are useless for anything but LIBERAL ads, because conservative ideals are not sexy, shocking, and they take much longer than 30 seconds to give them full treatment.
You can name several legendary LIBERAL commercials off the top of your head (James Byrd, "Silent Spring" little girl picking a flower with nuke countdown in the background, etc.) but name me just ONE effective and memorable CONSERVATIVE ad....
When the courts said limiting expenditures required to produce speech (press, advertising, etc) is tantamount to limiting the speech itself.
It's morning in America, There's a bear in the woods.
To ensure that lawmakers serve the public interest, Governor Bush will: Prohibit federally registered lobbyists from contributing to Members of Congress, while Congress is in session.
To prevent corporate boards and union bosses from diminishing the influence of individuals, Governor Bush will: Ban unions and corporations from giving "soft" money to political parties. On this issue, Governor Bush and Senator McCain are in agreement.
To ensure Americans are not forced to fund candidates they dont support, Governor Bush will accompany the ban on soft money with legislation to: Enact "Paycheck Protection," preventing union bosses from directly spending roughly $300 million in union dues annually - without members permission - to support candidates of the bosses choosing. Senator McCains legislation would permit this abuse.
To protect the right of individuals to express themselves, Governor Bush will: Preserve the right of individuals and groups - from the Christian Coalition to the Sierra Club - to run issue ads. Senator McCain would protect incumbents from scrutiny by unconstitutionally restricting the right of citizens to engage in issue advocacy. Raise the limit on individual contributions to candidates by adjusting it for inflation.
To end "double-dipping" and respect donors choices, Governor Bush will: Eliminate the "roll-over" loophole and prevent incumbents from transferring excess funds from a prior federal campaign (for example, for the Senate) to a subsequent race for another federal office (for example, for the Presidency).
To ensure full and timely disclosure of campaign contributions, Governor Bush will: Require near real-time disclosure of contributions on the Internet, as he alone among the presidential candidates is already doing.
Source:
Not sure if the link is still active...it was from georgewbush.com, the campaign website, I just happened to still have the info on file.
I do not care how beloved he is, his political party, his promptness and the wearing of proper attire in the oval office.
Any loyalty I have goes right out the door should he affix his signature to any horrendous piece of legislation that is a blatent violation of the constitution. As it is, the entire House of Representatives should be impeached.
"Congress shall make NO law ... abridging freedom of speech" it states very plainly in the constitution's first amendment.
And yet they did just this; stepped all over OUR toes because NEXT, count on it, they'll be shutting down THIS site 60 days before an election.
I'd rather have a President playing the saxaphone and getting Lewinskys in the oval office than one so hypocritical he would send our sons and daughters off to war to possibly die for the constitution they are protecting, while he willy-nilly signs legislation that is an outright violation to his oath of office to uphold this country's constitution.
Every congress critter who voted for that bill should be sanctioned.
And if the President signs it...he's just as bad.
Wouldn't it be nice if CFR got us back to the "bad old days" when every Tom, Dick and Tom Paine was a pamphleteer printing their own "newspaper." Wouldn't it be great to see the Old Grey Lady drown in a sea of Xerox'd FR threads on unrecyclable paper!? Ahh, to dreamm/////
The link yiels The page cannot be found, but that's ok. The information in your post is good information. Thanks!
President Bush Outlines Campaign Reform Principles
March 15, 2001
The Honorable Trent Lott
Senate Majority Leader
S-230, The Capitol
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Senator Lott:
As the Senate prepares to consider campaign finance reform legislation, I wanted to highlight my principles for reform. I am committed to working with the Congress to ensure that fair and balanced campaign reform legislation is enacted.
These principles represent my framework for assessing campaign finance reform legislation. I remain open to other ideas to meet shared goals.
I am hopeful that, working together, we can achieve responsible campaign finance reforms.
Sincerely,
George W. Bush
Campaign Finance Reform
President Bush's Reform Principles
Protect Rights of Individuals to Participate in Democracy: President Bush believes democracy is first and foremost about the rights of individuals to express their views. He supports strengthening the role of individuals in the political process by: 1) updating the limits established more than two decades ago on individual giving to candidates and national parties; and 2) protecting the rights of citizen groups to engage in issue advocacy.
Maintain Strong Political Parties: President Bush believes political parties play an essential role in making America's democratic system operate. He wants to maintain the strength of parties, and not to weaken them. Any reform should help political parties more fully engage citizens in the political process and encourage them to express their views and to vote.
Ban Corporate and Union Soft Money: Corporations and labor unions spend millions of dollars every election cycle in unregulated 'soft? money to influence federal elections. President Bush supports a ban on unregulated corporate and union contributions of soft money to political parties.
Eliminate Involuntary Contributions: President Bush believes no one should be forced to support a candidate or cause against his or her will. He therefore supports two parallel reforms: 1) legislation to prohibit corporations from using treasury funds for political activity without the permission of shareholders; and 2) legislation to require unions to obtain authorization from each dues-paying worker before spending those dues on activities unrelated to collective bargaining.
Require Full and Prompt Disclosure: President Bush also believes that in an open society, the best safeguard against abuse is full disclosure. He supports full, prompt and constitutionally permissible disclosure of contributions and expenditures designed to influence the outcome of federal elections, so voters will have complete and timely information on which to make informed decisions.
Promote Fair, Balanced, Constitutional Approach: President Bush believes reform should not favor any one party over another or incumbents over challengers. Both corporations and unions should be prohibited from giving soft money to political parties, and both corporations and unions should have to obtain permission from their stockholders or dues-paying workers before spending treasury funds or dues on politics. President Bush supports including a non-severability provision, so if any provision of the bill is found unconstitutional, the entire bill is sent back to Congress for further adjustments and deliberations. This provision will ensure fair and balanced campaign finance reform.
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