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To: cracker
"I wa just clarifying your imprecision. You identified intelligent desingers in biotech labs genetically engineering pigs. I pointed out that they are human. Could you explain how it is that human biologists are proof for a supernatural being? You have yet to do so, and it would seem central to your argument that genetic engineering supports ID as a explanation for the origin of species."

Who is arguing about a supernatural being besides you?

I pointed out that genetic engineers are examples of Intelligent Design because those engineers program DNA. If you care to dispute this evidence of Intelligent Design, then feel free to try, but don't try to con me into arguing about a supernatural being.

I'm showing you evidence of Intelligence creating Life. This is predicted by Intelligent Design Theory. It is not predicted by Evolutionary Theory. If that evidence destroys your own personal values, then too bad, but that's a mere by-product of the scientific process.

407 posted on 03/05/2002 12:02:21 PM PST by Southack
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To: Southack
I pointed out that genetic engineers are examples of Intelligent Design because those engineers program DNA. If you care to dispute this evidence of Intelligent Design, then feel free to try, but don't try to con me into arguing about a supernatural being.

I'm showing you evidence of Intelligence creating Life. This is predicted by Intelligent Design Theory. It is not predicted by Evolutionary Theory. If that evidence destroys your own personal values, then too bad, but that's a mere by-product of the scientific process.

Perhaps you need to obfuscate a little more. Why don't you state your Theory of Intelligent Design. Does it have anything to do with the origin of life on Earth? When? Who is the Designer - and how do we know? I'll note that you've already given us some answers, such as the Designer's preference for efficiency and ease, so how do you know these things?

Did the designer create the universe too, or just the life on Earth? If we find life on Mars or Europa, did the Designer create that too? Was it a separate creation, or all at once?

Does ID refute any portion of evolution? Is it mutually exclusive with evolution? Why is it a superior theory?

Given that you are advocating a theory with a readily identifiable set of proponents (creationists), who have a fairly clear statement of what they beleive (God is the Designer) and why (the Bible says so), you have a large burden to meet if you are going to assert "that's not me - I'm different". At the least, you should pick a new name for your version of the theory.

412 posted on 03/05/2002 12:13:47 PM PST by cracker
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