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To: Southack
Most Darwinians claim that Evolution is dependent upon:
1. Appropriate environment,
2. Natural Selection, and
3. Random Mutations.

You weren't paying attention, because I very carefully stated it, though I knew that this is the kind of response I'd get. Degrees of freedom are unverified premises. We can ignore #1 (since it essentially cancels out with the second list). Selection essentially means "death". Are you saying that death is an unverified phenomenon? While you may be willing to contest it, I am pretty sure that everything dies, and that we aren't all dying at exactly the same time from exactly the same causes. We all get selected out of the gene pool eventually, whether it is death due to organ failure in old age or death due to adolescent stupidity. Therefore, this is not a degree of freedom. As for random mutation, that is also self-evident as it occurs literally everywhere all the time in biology. It is how we end up with weird genetic disorders and other anomalies.

3 degrees of freedom versus 2, yet you picked the loser and wrongly ascribed Occam's Razor as your reasoning.

I think you need to recount. Demonstrable facts aren't open variables, and don't confuse the hypothesis with the premise. Remember, the point of this isn't to determine how a specific case of speciation occurred, but to determine both what is possible and what is probable.

287 posted on 03/04/2002 7:48:05 PM PST by tortoise
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To: tortoise
"As for random mutation, that is also self-evident as it occurs literally everywhere all the time in biology. It is how we end up with weird genetic disorders and other anomalies."

Self-evident to you, unproven to the scientific world. Random mutation might be responsible for self-evolution, but then again, it might not.

What you are trying to say is that since everything about Evolution is obvious, that Occam's Razor supports it, and that's a ridiculous tautology.

List all that is required for Evolution. List all that is required for Intelligent Design. Count the number of items and then apply William's theorem. If you can do it honestly, then you'll begin to see why Evolutionists don't quote Occam's Razor in any serious debate...

288 posted on 03/04/2002 7:56:24 PM PST by Southack
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To: tortoise
"Selection essentially means "death". Are you saying that death is an unverified phenomenon?"

No, Natural Selection means that the most adapted species will survive and thrive. It is the least adapted species that dies off.

Further, if you are using Occam's Razor to question two theories, then all prerequisites for both theories must be listed as unproven degrees of freedom.

289 posted on 03/04/2002 8:10:20 PM PST by Southack
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