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To: Vercingetorix
"You also need to think differently about your computer program example. Computer codes like DOS and Windows are abstract instruction sets and, unlike the genetic code where every sequence of three bases has potential meaning, this will not be true of computer codes."

Your claim above is entirely false. Computer instructions are always broken down to their most basic instruction sets (machine code in Binary / Base-2), either by other software or by the CPU itself internally. The only abstract part of computer codes is that programmers usually prefer to view and work with abstract instructions rather than in Binary code. At the Binary (Base-2) level, every possible machine code has a specific meaning. This is identical to DNA codons, except that DNA is broken down to a Base-4 level.

" Additionally, nonsense sequences in the genome are effectively ignored or serve a merely structural function. The first time a computer command mutates it comes to a dead stop and has to be fixed by the programmer."

Again, your claim about computer code is completely erroneous. A computer command can mutate into another computer command and cause unintended behavior, but that does NOT mean that the program will immediately stop all execution.

19 posted on 02/28/2002 12:07:25 PM PST by Southack
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To: Southack
You're concept of DNA is too limited. DNA, unlike a computer program, is not a set of linear functions. One consequence of the difference is that changing one piece of DNA may not break anything, or may not even have a discernable effect. Another is that a change in DNA can be an improvement. None of this is a mystery, don't assume that your understanding of how DNA functions defines the limits of how it really does work.

BTW, there are "genetic" computer programs whose algorithmic construction is determined by a set of "genes" that are forced to evolve through random mutations and selection. There are some problems that can't be reasonably solved any other way. The principle is real, and exists.

24 posted on 02/28/2002 12:41:14 PM PST by mlo
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To: Southack
Again, your claim about computer code is completely erroneous. A computer command can mutate into another computer command and cause unintended behavior, but that does NOT mean that the program will immediately stop all execution.

This is true, but the comparison isn't relevant. We find it cheaper to manufacture systems that aren't fault tolerant in most cases though we do no how. It is an economic decision. Therefore, in practice computer code is FAR more fragile than DNA which has numerous redundancies and fault tolerance mechanisms built in (once you boot up an organism, you can't shut it down or -HUP the process). The bottom line is that it serves living organisms well to have a code that functions well when subject to a high error rate. Life does not need deterministic results to function. If something non-deterministic happens in a computer system or an accidental code mutation occurs, we WANT the system to crash. The onus is on computers to give the right answer every time or they are useless for our purposes.

32 posted on 02/28/2002 2:31:07 PM PST by tortoise
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To: Southack
"At the Binary (Base-2) level, every possible machine code has a specific meaning. This is identical to DNA codons, except that DNA is broken down to a Base-4 level." -- Southack

No, that is false with respect to the purpose of the instruction set. Clearly if you give me a sequence of three nucleotide bases I can tell you exactly which amino acid they code for. I can also identify initiator sequences and stop sequences. On the other hand, if I give any programmer an isolated sequence of 1's and 0's it would mean nothing to him. Every change to the computer code at the binary level will have consequences if it is a part of the instruction set (not the data set which may possibly be changed at will without consequence to the continued operation of the program). Generally such instruction set changes are fatal in that the intended purpose ceases to be accomplished. Whether or not the program continues to operate depends on the effectiveness of the error trapping routines. These facts are not germane to the argument.

The programmer works in an abstract coding language which is translated into binary code by a compiler which is itself a program. Having run several hundred batch jobs in Fortran with thousand card decks I know all too well what a single typing mistake can do to stop compilation or abort the run. This detail is also irrelevant to the argument that DNA codes are facile, redundant, and robust while computer codes in general are not.

34 posted on 02/28/2002 3:06:38 PM PST by Vercingetorix
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