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Evolution debate: State board should reject pseudoscience
Columbus Dispatch ^ | February 17, 2002 | Editorial

Posted on 02/18/2002 4:59:53 AM PST by cracker

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To: newgeezer
They (evolutionists) also either believe either A: Themselves to know almost everything there is to know about science or #2: Those who preach to them that they are a cosmic accident of random chance and time know almost everything there is to know about science.
161 posted on 02/21/2002 10:35:34 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: f.Christian
That struggle represents a ton of money too. Not that that might be the root of any evil or anything. ;-)
162 posted on 02/21/2002 10:36:48 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: AndrewC
Is there such a critter?(electron at rest)

I love this question. The 3rd law of thermodynamics does not allow an electron to be at rest. I think this drives to my point about "proof" and "evidence". I can "prove" a characteristic about an object that can't exist, using science. Time for ice cream.

163 posted on 02/21/2002 10:38:06 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: longshadow
LOL! You're cracking me up!!!
164 posted on 02/21/2002 10:39:38 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: biblewonk
The state is not able to discern when science becomes religion. When the state allows evolution to be taught and not creation or visa versa, they prove that. It has to either be both or neither.

The state has not resolved the fallacy of induction either, yet it makes budgets as though the sun will rise tomorrow. I think the state is capable of drawing a few distinctions, and the one between "science" and evolution on the one hand and "religion" and creationism on the other is not a very subtle one.

165 posted on 02/21/2002 10:47:13 AM PST by cracker
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To: 1/1,000,000th%
I love this question. The 3rd law of thermodynamics does not allow an electron to be at rest.

Does Quantum Mechanics affect this at all, since an electron's momentum (a measure of speed) and position are decribed by probablity functions? In other words, with probability theory, isn't it more correct to say that it is highly improbable that an electron would have a speed of zero, rather than to say that such a thing is impossible? After all, there is a finite yet very small probablity that an electron in the period at the end of a senetence just traveled to the Andromeda Galaxy and returned immediately thereafter.
166 posted on 02/21/2002 10:49:34 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: cracker
The founding fathers knew a healthy religion would exist--succeed or fail on its own merits and only a sick religion-science would need to be tax--state supported. Evolution is breaking the establishment clause and restaint of trade---an illegal monopoly...it is the post office for dead mail--idiots(freak stamps)!
167 posted on 02/21/2002 10:53:32 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
(day old)Good News For The Day

‘But I say to all of you: In the future, you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the mighty One.’ (Matthew 26:64)

If the universe is moral, (and the fact that such a person as Christ existed, is strong evidence that it is), then what Jesus said about himself and the future, must come true. If morality has an infinite source, and backing, then the moral excellence of Christ will ultimately triumph over evil.

I know some very agreeable people. I know some that I would call gentle giants. But their easygoing spirit is never a threat to greed and corruption. Kindness, patience, understanding, and love are not better than envy and bitterness, if they only ever exist as counterweights to their opposites. A good man who is content to coexist forever with badness, and wrong, cannot be a good man in any absolute sense.

The goodness of Jesus is surpassing because he not only sorrowed over sin, and was outraged by it, he set himself against it, and warned his enemies that by suffering for it, he would rise above it, and eliminate it.

If our universe is a moral one, then Jesus' values can never be viewed in any offhand way. Rather, he must be seen as a hazard to every act, motive, system, institution, or law, that is not in sympathy with him. A question that governments and their constituents ought to ask is: Are we making laws; invoking policies that clash with Christ and the direction of his Spirit? If so we are building badly. The universe itself will not back us. The... future belongs to Christ-and to all who follow him.

I very well understand we are not make the USA a state religion...BUT an anti-God/Christ religion-->evolution(anti-theism)?

168 posted on 02/21/2002 11:12:46 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: biblewonk
When science can no longer be proven and becomes a doctrine that must be believed, it has become religion.

A better test is when science can no longer be disproven it has become a religion. The Evos here are always willing to modify the theory in light of new evidence. Indeed, it is easy to imagine evidence that would disprove evolution as currently formulated, such as fossils of humanoids that could be dated to more than 100 million years, or DNA results showing humans have more in common with trees than snakes. These results would call for major revisions in evolutionary theory.

However, the creationists will never admit of a fact that would disprove creation. It is hard to imagine what would disprove creationism - it is, in that respect, an untestable and empty idea, and is more religion than science.

169 posted on 02/21/2002 11:15:09 AM PST by cracker
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To: f.Christian
Evolution is not a religion as considered inthe Establishment Clause. The rest of your argument is either irrelevant or incomprehensible.
170 posted on 02/21/2002 11:16:50 AM PST by cracker
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To: cracker
Evolution "science" is proof govt schools teach people not to think---philosophy/thinking is a no-no...brainwashing!

Incomprehensible for the incomprehensible!

171 posted on 02/21/2002 11:20:00 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: cracker
A better test is when science can no longer be disproven it has become a religion. The Evos here are always willing to modify the theory in light of new evidence. Indeed, it is easy to imagine evidence that would disprove evolution as currently formulated, such as fossils of humanoids that could be dated to more than 100 million years, or DNA results showing humans have more in common with trees than snakes. These results would call for major revisions in evolutionary theory.

That is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard on one of these threads. A 100 million yearold fossil of a human skeleton to disprove evolution? HELLO!

172 posted on 02/21/2002 11:24:44 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: cracker
However, the creationists will never admit of a fact that would disprove creation.

This is true of both. You are sadly in a state of denial. The only way to disprove creation is for it not to be true. I can't imagine how to disprove that 2+2=4 either. It is also impossible to disprove that God didn't just create me in the middle of typing this sentence. Science can only prove how things are now, not how they came to be.

173 posted on 02/21/2002 11:27:30 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: cracker
Did you know a teacher was fired for mentioning there were problems with evolution?

If you sent your children to school questioning this hoax govt. religion what do you think would happen?

174 posted on 02/21/2002 11:28:07 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Additionally, evolution has facts against it.

Examples, please.

175 posted on 02/21/2002 11:29:10 AM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
Two of my favorite writers--thinkers...

"I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it's been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has."

Malcolm Muggeridge
Well-known Journalist and philosopher
Pascal Lectures, University of Waterloo

"After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort could not be proved to take place today, had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past."

Loren Eiseley, Ph.D. Anthropology
The Immense Journey
Random House, NY, 1957, p. 199

176 posted on 02/21/2002 11:37:50 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: lexcorp
There's not the merest scrap of evidence for divine intervention.

There is a huge huge difference between proof and most likely probably explanation. In a room full of clerics for all religions, the evolutionist is as without proof as every other one of them. He also has absolutely no explanation at all for the existance of space, time, and matter. He has to just say 'trust me' or 'I don't know'. He might as well trade in his suit and tie and PHD for a white robe because he is taking everything else on faith.

The bible says we can't even explain snow but the evo cleric thinks he knows all the workings of matter and how they self organize into life.

179 posted on 02/21/2002 12:21:05 PM PST by biblewonk
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