[RnMomof7]

Being born again enables belief. The verb indicates a past completed action which happens before belief. They do not occur at the same time.

Well I know that is how it worked in my case..it was not like a bullet going through wood..it was more like walking through "quick sand"..but then some of us are slower than a speeding bullet:>)

[the_doc]

I fully agree with you. That's one of the problems with the bullet-and-board example. It makes things sound instantaneous when there are process issues. See John 6:44.

See also Pilgrim's Progress for a typical description of what the sinner often experiences in the time frame of conversion.

Maybe I could use a real thick board in my example. (Ha!) But we still have to keep the cause and effect coupled in the way the bullet-and-board example does. (The fact is, a cause with no effect is not clearly a cause. By the same token, an effect without a cause is a contradiction in terms.)