[the_doc]

I fully agree with you. That's one of the problems with the bullet-and-board example. It makes things sound instantaneous when there are process issues. See John 6:44.

See also Pilgrim's Progress for a typical description of what the sinner often experiences in the time frame of conversion.

Maybe I could use a real thick board in my example. (Ha!) But we still have to keep the cause and effect coupled in the way the bullet-and-board example does. (The fact is, a cause with no effect is not clearly a cause. By the same token, an effect without a cause is a contradiction in terms.)

[CCWoody]

See also Pilgrim's Progress for a typical description of what the sinner often experiences in the time frame of conversion.

HA! I'm reading it right now. Christian and Hopeful have just met Ignorance. I'm reading in between posts on FR.