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1 posted on 02/15/2002 2:58:58 PM PST by RJCogburn
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Good Post
2 posted on 02/15/2002 3:27:32 PM PST by Free the USA
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Man. Pretty clear that this guy knows nothing about the subject of farming or the current farming crisis.
3 posted on 02/15/2002 3:32:20 PM PST by jrherreid
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But not the farmers. They have apparently been bestowed with the Divine Right to Farm. If they can't make enough to live on, they have the legal power to loot the rest of us so they can stay on the farm anyway. This sounds like insanity. Would someone please explain it to me?

Yes. Domestic food production is important to our national security.

5 posted on 02/15/2002 3:35:21 PM PST by xm177e2
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Instead of starving people and wealthy farmers (which is what should have happened if the doomsayers were right), we have fat people (see the recent Surgeon General's report) and farmers bellyaching about low crop prices.

We also have a lot of fat farmers. The feed business where I buy my horse feed is a hangout for about a dozen farmers, most of whom are around 300 pounds. Point is, these guys are almost always there, good weather and bad, just hanging out. I recently checked that web site that shows farm subsidies by county, some of these guys are getting up to $800k a year in crop subsidies to not grow tobacco.

8 posted on 02/15/2002 3:44:55 PM PST by doosee
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The real problems have to do with corporate farming, illegal labor thereby deflating the real cost of food, vertical ownership and the profiterring from value added processes. The game is fixed and when you see what the remedies are no one has the courage to stand up and say ok let's pay a fair wage for farm work, let's pay a fair price for farm produce, and let's keep so few hands from controlling so much of the production and supply. Let's start subsidizing family farms.
12 posted on 02/15/2002 3:53:28 PM PST by RWG
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What does Sheldon Richman have to worry about? All of his food comes from the grocery store or the restaurant. That's where food comes from.

If and when the day arrives when Richman goes to the grocery store, or to the restaurant, and discovers they have no more food, he can always fall back on his, what, farming skills? Hunting skills? Fishing skills? One almost hopes that such a day arrives, if only for his comeuppance, but that would mean no food for the rest of us, either.

People need food. They do not need magazine editors. It is that simple.

13 posted on 02/15/2002 3:55:02 PM PST by Jay W
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Doesn't Sam Donaldson have a sheep farm out in Arizona, how much is he getting???
16 posted on 02/15/2002 4:00:07 PM PST by annieokie
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If GM or Ford was to go on strike for a year and no new cars were available,the moment they went back to work carlots would have a hay day,no hagglin,just demand the price they want and they and the finance companies would love it,come to think about it,maybe the farmer should go on strike,withhold the beef,chickens, eggs, milk,butter,veggies,just quit producing for a year except what they would use for themselves.Now do you get the picture?The government subsidies are there to insure there is always enough to eat,as long as there are subsidies,no farmer will go on strike.
17 posted on 02/15/2002 4:02:55 PM PST by eastforker
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First of all someone should tell this shallow nitwit there is no such thing as "free market" (or "free trade" for that matter) every market including farming has government restrictions...even "deregulated" markets have regulators imposing strict regulations....

More important if a farmer is hit with bad weather destroying his crop he's likely done for an entire year...Can this "magazine editor" dole out thousands of, maybe tens of thousands of dollars only to have it all be ruined in one day and survive untill the next year?....

In other words if every year over the last 2 centurys a farmer went out of business we would not only be dependent on Arabs for oil we'd also be dependent on, worse yet, someone for or food.

It's nitwits like this "magazine editor" who has no problem with the government going in and shutting off irrigation water to farmers to save bottom feeding sucker fish.

I'll bet this same "magazine editor" would object to letting the farmer sell his farmland for development but have NO problem with the government taking it to save the environment or some phony "endangered species".

20 posted on 02/15/2002 4:11:07 PM PST by lewislynn
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This guy is just saying what Archers Daniels Midland has been saying for a decade.

The tenets of the New Deal era farm supports are no longer needed. Bring in gigantic corporations and Nafta, plow under family farms, and allow "guest workers" from Mexico to pick all the veggies that can't be harvested by hand.

Individual families aren't needed.

The only reason the price supports exist is because there is currently a policy to have non mega-farms supplying the food chain. If you want mega-farms and corporations, get rid of the supports. If you don't want mega-farms and corporations, keep the supports.

It's a policy decision.

22 posted on 02/15/2002 4:13:16 PM PST by Vladiator
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Number 1, Where is the industrial size HURL ALERT?

Do you realize that 30 percent of the wheat farmers' gross income comes from the government? Thirty percent! The guys that grow other grains and soybeans get 20 percent of their income from Washington. Can you say "socialized agriculture"?

Can you say idiot? Where does this moron thinks food comes from? I guess this pinhead never heard of drought, taxes, environmental regulations, hail, tornados, floods, et. al. American Farmers Feed the WORLD! How much More taxpayer dollars goes to welfare, People producing nothing? This guy whining about overweight people? That's the farmers fault? Sheldon Richman should spend a year in Ethiopia, then pop off.

What a Clymer.

< /RANT >

25 posted on 02/15/2002 4:14:07 PM PST by Doomonyou
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Why do the Socialists on this Forum jump out of the woodwork and attempt to prove how efficient socialism is when it comes to farming?
27 posted on 02/15/2002 4:17:08 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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If the author went to:

See who is getting the pork and who is getting porked

he would quickly learn that it is votes. The politicians are using your tax dollars to buy the votes of farmers. Just roam around that site. It will make you sick. I checked out one county in Nebraska and it looked like about 95% of the people in the county were getting farm welfare - uh, excuse me "farm security payments".

29 posted on 02/15/2002 4:19:47 PM PST by jackbill
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In capitalistic theory, we would only need one "farmer" but somehow I do not think that would pan out to good. We can buy wheat cheaper from Australia and Canada, get rid of the farmers in the wheat industry, problem solved, I think.
48 posted on 02/15/2002 5:09:48 PM PST by cynicom
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Thanks for the post.

The Amish and Mennonites can farm without government subsidies and also have enough to sell outside of their communities.

Why not suggest to Congress to ask them how it's done? LOL

55 posted on 02/15/2002 5:23:28 PM PST by moonman
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I'm all for helping the farmers. Why? Anything to keep their land from becoming developed and turning into a damn concrete jungle.

The Country backs republicans. The city backs democraps. That simple.

77 posted on 02/15/2002 5:59:41 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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Farmers glean hope - Gov. Davis pledges $79 million to help market the state's crops.

Had fun at the Ag Expo.

95 posted on 02/15/2002 7:05:09 PM PST by farmfriend
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I am not a farmer. My father, grandfather and great-grandfathers were not farmers.

That being said, farming is one of the noble occupations that a nation needs to perpetuate to keep it's self identity.

If a historian goes back and tries to decide at which point the noble Roman Republic began it's decline, he will find that the decline began when the independent small farmers were wiped out during the Punic Wars. The widows of the citizen farmer soldiers could not meet the debt on the farms. Roman farms became "latifundias", large farms owned by the rich (read corporations). The bedrock of the Roman Republic was thus destroyed.

The U.S. subsidizes firms that build submarines and military aircraft because they are vital to the health of our nation.

So should it be with the independent farmer.

117 posted on 02/15/2002 9:07:00 PM PST by Polybius
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Well, when things get rough, and the supermarket shelves are sparce, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT come whining to my house asking to buy the prime meat (that I grew myself) out of my freezer. Maintaining our own source of food is the absolute most empowering act any nation can maintain. I am not interested in trading your reading material for my food,,,, farmers can get all the reading material we need off the net for free. We don't need you, either. Put some cream and sugar on that shredded newsprint,,, it should be real tasty,,, almost as good as the homegrown Prime Rib I fixed for dinner tonite.
154 posted on 02/16/2002 7:07:22 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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If you want the free market to dictate the farm economy, that's fine. However you must realize that it is going to cost you. You can either pay subsidaries in taxes, or pay higher prices for your food. America has the cheapest food for a reason. If you would rather use 30% of your pay check to feed yourself and your family, allow all subsidaries of the American farmer to stop.


168 posted on 11/16/2004 2:44:36 PM PST by clayn (Talking economics, realize that subsidaries or not, your gonna pay.)
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