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Farmers: Get a Job!
Future of Freedom Foundation ^ | February 2002 | Sheldon Richman

Posted on 02/15/2002 2:58:58 PM PST by RJCogburn

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To: Friend_Or_Foe
Who is Sheldon Richman? From the header at the top of the article posted, I assume he's the author of that piece:

Future of Freedom Foundation | February 2002 | Sheldon Richman

21 posted on 02/15/2002 4:12:20 PM PST by Jay W
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To: RJCogburn
This guy is just saying what Archers Daniels Midland has been saying for a decade.

The tenets of the New Deal era farm supports are no longer needed. Bring in gigantic corporations and Nafta, plow under family farms, and allow "guest workers" from Mexico to pick all the veggies that can't be harvested by hand.

Individual families aren't needed.

The only reason the price supports exist is because there is currently a policy to have non mega-farms supplying the food chain. If you want mega-farms and corporations, get rid of the supports. If you don't want mega-farms and corporations, keep the supports.

It's a policy decision.

22 posted on 02/15/2002 4:13:16 PM PST by Vladiator
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To: xm177e2
It's the capability that's important, not the actual food itself.

Do you have a recipe for "capability." I sounds awfully good, and I thought I would prepare some for the family this weekend.

Truth is, if we stopped every penny of farm subsidies tomorrow, there would not be one potatoe less in anybody's pot the next day, next year, or ever because of it, and it would probably be a lot cheaper darn soon.

Hank

23 posted on 02/15/2002 4:13:27 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: eastforker
The government subsidies are there to insure there is always enough to eat,as long as there are subsidies,no farmer will go on strike.

The subsidies have nothing to do with ensuring enough to eat. They are all about guaranteeing an income to farmers whether they have a good or bad crop. Otherwise, the government could guarantee that everyone has enough to eat by buying up all the food and then giving it away to all for free. I believe in the free enterprise system and the farmers are not practicing in that type of system.

24 posted on 02/15/2002 4:13:46 PM PST by doosee
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To: RJCogburn
Number 1, Where is the industrial size HURL ALERT?

Do you realize that 30 percent of the wheat farmers' gross income comes from the government? Thirty percent! The guys that grow other grains and soybeans get 20 percent of their income from Washington. Can you say "socialized agriculture"?

Can you say idiot? Where does this moron thinks food comes from? I guess this pinhead never heard of drought, taxes, environmental regulations, hail, tornados, floods, et. al. American Farmers Feed the WORLD! How much More taxpayer dollars goes to welfare, People producing nothing? This guy whining about overweight people? That's the farmers fault? Sheldon Richman should spend a year in Ethiopia, then pop off.

What a Clymer.

< /RANT >

25 posted on 02/15/2002 4:14:07 PM PST by Doomonyou
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To: jrherreid
No, this post is great... Farming is the midwestern, white welfare state..... WelKome to Amerika, bud. The ag sector has more doggone lobbists to send the pork home. Ever wonder why all this middle western states mouth conservative values but send jerks like Daschle to Congress? Follow the dollars.
26 posted on 02/15/2002 4:16:57 PM PST by pointsal
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To: RJCogburn
Why do the Socialists on this Forum jump out of the woodwork and attempt to prove how efficient socialism is when it comes to farming?
27 posted on 02/15/2002 4:17:08 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Friend_Or_Foe
Yes, if you click on the link at the top of the article you go to the website where Sheldon Richman's article is posted. I have no idea who he is, but I assume he eats.
28 posted on 02/15/2002 4:18:01 PM PST by Jay W
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To: RJCogburn
If the author went to:

See who is getting the pork and who is getting porked

he would quickly learn that it is votes. The politicians are using your tax dollars to buy the votes of farmers. Just roam around that site. It will make you sick. I checked out one county in Nebraska and it looked like about 95% of the people in the county were getting farm welfare - uh, excuse me "farm security payments".

29 posted on 02/15/2002 4:19:47 PM PST by jackbill
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To: pointsal
Farming is the midwestern, white welfare state.....

I'd like to see you repeat that ignorant statement to some of the farmers out in Minnesota or North Dakota.

30 posted on 02/15/2002 4:22:18 PM PST by jrherreid
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To: eastforker
Would anyone here like to pay $20 a pound for hamburger meat.How about $10 for a box of cheerios or $12 a gallon for milk.You guys just don't get it.If gasoline went to $4 a gallon in three months time people would go nuts,but they would pay it nonetheless to get to work.Take away subsidies and the family farm is done for and the mega corporate farmer takes over,you think they wont manipulate production to drive up prices,if so you are badly mistaken.In the meantime when prices skyrocket,average americans would have to be subsidised to keep from starving to death.
31 posted on 02/15/2002 4:28:47 PM PST by eastforker
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To: pointsal
... Farming is the midwestern, white welfare state

So what do you produce for a living?

The U.S.A. Has the cheapest, freshest, highest quality, and choice of food in the world.

Maybe you should be in charge of food production.

32 posted on 02/15/2002 4:30:45 PM PST by Doomonyou
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To: Free the USA
Good Post

I don't know whether to attack both of you or not.

I do know that the average american farmer puts in many more hours trying to survive with his family farm over the long haul

than any stock broking, pin striped, soft handed, computer geek American,

that calls himself "a man", just because he drives a fancy car and owns alot of propped up stock.

And I know that the average American Farmer considers our country's interest over his own during a war.

And I know... that there are no finer people to be called Americans in this country,......period, than our farmers, and ranchers.

Some people will not know this, but will write about it as if they do, and with little or no regard for the truth.

I will spend my remaining years defending these people with all that I have.

Yes, a few take more than they should, but most hate taking any!.

..and when they do, thy feel that they might have done something

that their forefathers would have considered a disgrace.

Go after the big ones that take advantage, but leave the little ones alone that are just trying to keep their land for their children,

and save it from from our governments overtaxation and landgrabbing.

33 posted on 02/15/2002 4:33:08 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: Doomonyou
What I find odd is that nobody talks about the " healthy fresh food" in our stores being produced from countries who have NOT banned the officially designated dangerous pesticides.

I am not an expert on farm subsidies, but would someone please tell me why "safe" US produced foodstuffs are sent to starving countries and I cant find a fresh vegatable in my local grocery store made in the USA?

I am not trying to be flip-I really would like someone to give me the short true answer to this question.

34 posted on 02/15/2002 4:33:37 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: eastforker
"Would anyone here like to pay...... $12 a gallon for milk"

The problem is that I might already be paying more than $12 for a gallon of milk;
$3 or so to the store PLUS my share of the farm subsidies divided by the gallons of milk that I use.

Might be a sight more that $12, just hidden, like the "hidden tax" that it is.

35 posted on 02/15/2002 4:46:33 PM PST by APBaer
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To: sarasmom
What I find odd is that nobody talks about the " healthy fresh food" in our stores being produced from countries who have NOT banned the officially designated dangerous pesticides.

Probably due to the EPA, FDA, and all the other alphabet soup agencies that keep banning perfectly safe chemicals and pesticides in this country using junk science. Remember Alar? It's OK, but Merill Streep is an expert,I guess. ("What are we doing to our Children!!!?!?!) How many Alar deaths have occured in this Country?

I am not an expert on farm subsidies, but would someone please tell me why "safe" US produced foodstuffs are sent to starving countries and I cant find a fresh vegatable in my local grocery store made in the USA?

Probably for the almighty dollar. Could be time of the year. Living in CA, there is plenty of US produce.

I am not trying to be flip-I really would like someone to give me the short true answer to this question.

I tried! And as far as I know, it's the truth!

36 posted on 02/15/2002 4:47:24 PM PST by Doomonyou
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To: eastforker
Would anyone here like to pay $20 a pound for hamburger meat.How about $10 for a box of cheerios or $12 a gallon for milk. Move to Canada
37 posted on 02/15/2002 4:48:42 PM PST by thrcanbonly1
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To: APBaer
The problem is that I might already be paying more than $12 for a gallon of milk; $3 or so to the store PLUS my share of the farm subsidies divided by the gallons of milk that I use.

You pay a hell of a lot more for welfare and other goverment subsities (Freebies for people that don't work) in taxes than you do for you gallon of milk, jack.

38 posted on 02/15/2002 4:51:24 PM PST by Doomonyou
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To: jrherreid
I'd like to see you repeat that ignorant statement to some of the farmers out in Minnesota or North Dakota.

Why? What would they do? Certainly you aren't emplying they would do something to prove what we all know, that at heart they are thugs, living off the actually earned profits of others, are you.

Hank

39 posted on 02/15/2002 4:54:34 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Doomonyou
Probably due to the EPA, FDA, and all the other alphabet soup agencies that keep banning perfectly safe chemicals and pesticides in this country using junk science.

Yeah right, better living through chemistry.

---max

40 posted on 02/15/2002 4:55:14 PM PST by max61
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