You must comply.
Posted on 02/15/2002 6:50:19 AM PST by DoSomethingAboutIt
Libertarians in Santa Barbara, California have scored a victory for freedom of association by helping to nullify a resolution that censured the local Boy Scouts chapter.
On November 14, county supervisors approved a statute forbidding the government from discriminating against private organizations -- even if that group has "incorrect membership requirements," said Santa Barbara LP Secretary Robert Bakhaus.
"Even the U.S. Supreme Court had said the Boy Scouts have the right to associate, and make their own internal rules as they choose," he said. "If LPers could not lead in such a case as local government censuring the Boy Scouts, who would?"
The new statute invalidated a resolution adopted in March by a 3-2 vote, which censured the Boy Scouts for refusing to allow gay men to serve as scoutmasters.
County commissioners said the Boy Scout's policy violated the country's anti-discrimination law. The censure would have allowed county officials to prevent Scouts from using local camp grounds, leasing property from the city, or passing out leaflets on school grounds.
However, the Boy Scouts of America said the gay lifestyle violated the organization's oath, which requires members to be "morally straight." It won a U.S Supreme court decision in June 2000, which affirmed its right to decide who could be a Boy Scout.
Bakhaus said Libertarians support the right of the Boy Scouts to set their own membership requirements without government interference -- even if some Libertarians personally oppose those requirements.
"Even bigots have rights," he said. "Private organizations [should have] the right to make their own membership and leadership rules."
After the commission passed its resolution in March, "libertarian sympathizer" Michael Warnken and local LP members collected 20,000 signatures to put an initiative on the ballot to overturn it.
Libertarians helped drum up publicity for the campaign by sending letters to the editors of local papers, appearing at meetings and rallies, and speaking out on local television shows, said Bakhaus.
A number of conservative Republicans also joined the effort, which shows that small organizations "can't afford to be shy about having allies," he said.
"[Our LP affiliate is] too small to abolish taxation or achieve other radical reforms outright. We must first develop our clout by helping enforce the current good laws limiting government, while rallying better liberals and conservatives to uphold the best American traditions of freedom," he said.
However, the coalition ran into opposition from the county attorney's office, which filed a suit to stop the petitioning.
The attorney claimed the initiative language was "vague," and that only a statute or regulation -- not a resolution -- was subject to invalidation by initiative.
In response, activists changed the language of the measure meet state initiative requirements, and hired their own attorney to defend them from legal attacks, said Bakhaus.
With the initiative back on track and a large public turn-out at the commission's November meeting, county commissioners decided to nullify the anti-Boy Scout resolution, said Bakhaus.
"[It] was approved as law without a vote of the people, thanks in part to a large public showing -- but mostly by the fears of an electoral backlash if it went to a vote," he said.
Most importantly, Libertarians learned valuable lessons from the experience, said Bakhaus.
"The [Santa Barbara LP] learned that a countywide petition drive is not outside the bounds of doability," he said. "We also learned that a 1% investment ratio can be leveraged into victory, if that investment consists of extensive knowledge and experience about the intricacies of real politics."
Apparently the religion of Zonpower is based on the desire to acquire "great riches". Sounds like the religion for me.
some libertines .... oppose [The Supreme Court's endorsemant of] those requirements [But]
"Even bigots have rights," he said.
Man, those libertines are a bunch of heathens who only care about smoking dope.
Yep.
Too bad they hijacked America's almost only-ever attempt at an honest and Constitutional political party.
Being nobody on this site believes in that garbage, they are the source of garbage themselves.
I cut them no slack.
LMAO
Son, have you ever played a practical joke on someone? If not, you need to get whatever it is unstuck from your backside.
Listen old geezer, I'm not your son. Which I'm very thankful for that because my father was honest and never would have attempted to obfuscate.
When you play a practical joke, you temporarily technically lie, but it's all in good fun, and no one gets hurt. I reckon you are gonna tell me that the same goes for dopers.
Practical jokes can involve temporary lies. Usually they last a few minutes at most. People do not hold that their practical jokes are supposed to be an accurate identification of reality. They're jokes. Conversely, the three lies are not intended as practical jokes. They are put forth as reality and young innocent children are encouraged to accept those reality distorting lies as being real.
Yeah, let's just uh, tell them about all oral sex, and why not bestiality while we are at it? Honesty, riiiight.
I wouldn't question your ability or desire to do that considering your propensity to support telling children reality distorting lies. It's obvious that you know very little about being honest.
Thet probably worship at the alter of the Cosmic Muffin as well.
Hope their mother doesn't kick them out of her garage. It's been a cold winter.
Big tip! Don't breed!
To: Zon
Mommy why did they say that they had Clinton's DNA on Monica's dress.
Ok Zon, you prude, go ahead, tell em. BE HONEST remember.
390 posted on 2/20/02 9:24 PM Pacific by Texaggie79
Texaggie79, stop dragging your children into this discussion. Have you no respect for their innocent young minds? First you hide behind Santa Clause using it to obfuscate and now you're using your own children. It's sickening that you start by dishonestly dragging your children into the discussion and then have the nerve to insist that I be honest. You wanted me to be honest, well there it is.
What's this all about?
It's a graphic from the Neo-Tech Web site. If you want to know what Neo-Tech is read The Neo-Tech Discovery II. While you're there post a comment to their Web site -- positive or negative, they appreciate both. But benefit more from negative comments than positive.
Does that include Santa?!?!?!
The flying-reindeer-Santa-Clause-in-tow lie is just that--a lie. By it's very nature it is mystical thought.
Does that include Santa?!?!?!
The flying-reindeer-Santa-Clause-in-tow lie is just that--a lie. By it's very "nature" it is mystical thought.
Apparently the religion of Zonpower is based on the desire to acquire "great riches". Sounds like the religion for me.
Neo-Tech is based/grounded/founded on fully integrated honesty, wide-scope accounting and statistical analysis. Neo-Tech isn't a religion. There's no mysterious supernatural Gods or dogma that is plentiful in the most popular religions. BTW, thanks for advertising the link to the Neo-Tech Web site. It's not my Web site but every little bit helps. Even negative comments advance the goal. In fact, they help more than positive comments. It's a thing of beauty. ...The more Neo-Tech is attacked the more powerfully it advances.
I don't know man. They guy has ZONPOWER!!!!!!!!!!
I don't have Zonpower but I do have honesty which is way more than what you've demonstrated. For example, you support telling innocent children reality distorting lies. That hundreds of millions of people do that too doesn't change the fact that it is dishonest.
Seeing as you argued in favor of Hillary's bogus claim that it takes a village to raise a child, here's the hypocritical dark side of "people who share similar standards" 316. How about it start at home where most parents tell their children the three reality distorting lies -- flying Santa Clause, Easter Bunny and tooth fairy. Ah, but it takes a village to further distort reality in young innocent minds via telling/living the three lies. But those three lies are all told/lived in the name of having fun, right? Is it any wonder that children are prone to telling lies considering that parents are first to teach their children by example how to lie and that it's a means to having fun -- not to mention teaching by example that getting a reality distorting buzz from alcohol is fun. Then parents try to teach their children that it's wrong to lie and do reality distorting drugs. Is it any wonder that some children chose to take reality distorting drugs to have fun. I mean, parents and the "child raising village" have taught by example that distorting reality in the name of fun is a good thing.
You must comply.
The more Neo-Tech is attacked the more powerfully it advances.413
You must comply.415
And your point is???416
Merely that resistance is futile.
You nailed it right on target. No matter how much it is attacked or ignored, resistance is futile. Numerous government officials, mostly from U.S. but a few from other countries too, have have tried to stop Neo-Tech but each attack was a miserable failure in the eyes of the government officials that headed the attacks. The IRS tried to destroy the company but it backfired on them big time.
You are on the fringe of any known galaxy with your views!
The combination of fully integrated honest, wide-scope accounting and statistical analysis--Neo-Tech--is on the fringe and chooses to stay there until...
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Here are just a few of my views, morals and principles:
The highest moral, human an individual right is the right to self-defense and survival. The best way to ensure that individual rights are protected is to have a constitution or amendment to the constitution and courts based on the following:
Principle One: No person, group of persons, or government may initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against any individual.
Principle Two: Force may be morally and legally used only in self-defense against those who violate Principle One.
Principle Three: No exceptions shall be allowed for Principle One and Two.
And this:
All jurors shall be informed that they have the option of jury nullification.
Principle One is first a law. For every instance that a person has force initiated against them there is a loss to that person. Only the person/victim knows the true value of their loss. The law underlying Principle One is as true as physics law.
All a person need be concerned with is whether he or she has been the victim and who violated Principle One. Then prove that to a jury. Thus the ultimate purpose of the jury is to decide if harm has been done to the person claiming to be a victim and to what extent the person has been harmed. All jurors will be informed that they have the option of jury nullification. Objective law; The Point Law.
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