Posted on 02/13/2002 5:30:35 PM PST by CCWoody
Preach to 'em all Jerry_M even if you still are a "d.... r..... sinner"
Gee, Jerry, for the first time you started sounded sensible! The other Calvinists get to you?
What 'true colors' are those? That I do not accept Calvinism? Did I make that some kind of secret and then spring it on you?
As for God not doing a 'good job' in that many are not being saved, that is the price that God was willing to pay so that those who did say yes did so, freely.
Love demands nothing less then a free response or it is a farce.
As for not hearing the Gospel, God knows those who will respond and those who will not. For example Paul wanted to go into Bithynia but the 'Spirit suffered them not'(Acts.16:7). Instead, he was told to go to Macedonia. Moreover many from those nations will be heaven! These nations tend to have a very high infant mortality rate.
Did you ever hear of Mannaseh? If anyone deserved to die it was him!
So Manasseh made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to err and do worse then the heathen, whom the Lord had destroyed before the children of Israel. And the Lord spake to Manasseh and to his people but they would not hearken. (how can that be? No one can resist God?) Wherefore the Lord brought upon them the captains of the host of the king of Assyria, which took Manasseh among the thorns and bound him with fetters and carried him to Babylon. And when he was in affliction,he besought the Lord his God and humbled himself greatly before the God of his fathers. And he prayed unto him and he was entreated of him and heard his supplication, and brought him again to Jerusalem into his kingdom. Then Manasseh knew that the Lord he was God.(2Chr.33:9-13)
God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked.(Ezk.33:11) (Ezk.33:11). God created man and will give man every chance to repent (Gen. 18:32,Jonah 4:11).
God will mete out Justice, when Love is rejected.(Rev.19)
Regarding other nations, those nations are those composed of people who God knows would say no to the Gospel. The example is in Acts.16:7 where Paul is told not to go to Bithynia but to Macedonia (vs.9)
What it mocks is the silly 'straw man' view of free will.
We, of course, know that God does not crawl up to man's citadel of free will.
God gives man a choice-(Rom.10:13)
If FTD will take a closer look at this statement, he might notice that it is presenting Total Depravity: If we would only cast our burdens on Him...
See, there is Calvinism imposing something that is not being said! Did the author say anthing about (well, we really know...) he stated 'if we would', which means to normal rational people, that one could!
Man does not want to let go of his burdens of course. He would rather handle everything all on his own.
He does?
And, behold a woman which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him and touched the hem of his garment. For she said within herself. If i may touch his garment, I shall be whole. But Jesus turned him about and when he saw her, he said Daughter, be of good comfort, thy faith hath made thee whole...(Mat.9:20-22)( Calvinsts know ofcourse, what Christ said is untrue that in fact, the woman was irresistablity drawn to Christ and given the faith, I mean no one wants to cast their burdens on God!!!)
God There's the promised land, go get it. I'm giving it to you. Man But there's giants in there. God I'm giving it to you. Man [wispering to each other] Does He not see the giants? God Remember how I delievered you out of Egypt!!! Man [forming committee to talk about how big the giants are]
Did you go into one of your trances or something Woody? What the heck does the above have to do with anything?
News flash! I am the author. Well, at least I steal from the Bible from time to time. Are you going to presume to tell me what I wrote and what I didn't?
I am presenting Total Depravity in the same sense as this Bible passage:
John 5:40 And ye will not come to Me, that ye might have life!
Re: FRmail from yesterday. See what I mean. He has no goal to discuss anything reasonably. He is just showing us that his goal is to be divisive and disruptive. He mocks what he has never experienced.
Are all the dead going to raised sometime? (Dan.12:2,Phil.2:10 Rev.20)
That is not an answer to my question Ftd. The question I asked you was if the call is Universal why didn't every dead man raise from the dead..why only the one He chose?
See ya'll on Monday (I am practising my "Texican" for when I meet with "doc").
Well, a New Mexican speaking Texan is not as bad as a New York Yankee speaking Texan or a Texan speaking like a Yankee.
Ya all watch out now ...not all "Knee Yakers" talk funny. I am from the end of the state that talks like Tim Russert (He grew up a few blocks from me)..No we do not share the politics just the accent:>)
The 'call' to be raised from the dead is Universal, since all will be raised from the dead, either to spend eternity with God or to spend eternity in the Lake of Fire. However, it happens at various stages. In fact, you had some dead being raised right after the Crucifixion (Mat.27:52-53)!
Since you are trying to make an analogy out of a dead man rising from the dead, all dead will arise so what does that prove? Also, Lazarus died again physically, can you die again spiritually?(shades of Arminanism!) Also, Lararus was called directly by name because Christ loved him(Jn.11:36) and his sisters, and Lazarus (and the sisters) had responded to that love.
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die, Believest thou this?...Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that , if thou wouldest believe,(what? God wasn't giving them the faith?) thou shouldest see the glory of God?(Jn.11:26,40) Sounds like God was glorifed by the faith shown by the sisters who believed that Christ could raise the dead!Finally, Do the 'dead' cease to think and feel?(Lk.16)
It is from their false concept of man's depraved nature that the Calvinists attempt to bolster their doctrine of Total Depravity. There are three analogies that are used to do this:dead men, babies, and creatures...By comparing an unregenerate sinner to a dead man, a baby and a creature, Calvinists attempt to prove that man has the ability to repent and believe the Gospel. But as we shall presently see, each of these analogies is disparged by no less a Calvinist than Aruther W. Pink. The first is very important to the Calvinist since it actually mentions the fact of man's spiritual death...all Calvinists, without fail, make analogy between their doctrine of Total Depravity and physically dead men n general, or in an attempt to get scriptural, to Lazarus in particular...Pink expressly discounted this analogy that his fellow Calvinists are so fond of:'instead of attempting to draw analogies between spiritual and physical death and deriving inferences from them, we must stick very closely to the Scriptures and regulate all our thoughts by them...another reason these analogies all break down when viewed as an exact parallel to the salvation of a sinner is the matter of responsibility...if you make an exact parallel between a physically dead man and a spiritually dead dead man and say that neither one can believe on Jesus Christ, then you likewise have to say that neither one cannot not believe, If a dead man can't accept Christ because he is dead then he can't reject him either. A dead man cannot believe on Jesus Christ, but a dead sinner can(The Other Side of Calvinism, Vance,p.220-223)
Well, so you are! I thought you had posted an article from someone else.
Well, at least I steal from the Bible from time to time. Are you going to presume to tell me what I wrote and what I didn't?
What I am going to presume is to have you show me where in that article is a clear case made for Calvinism, particulary the part that I highlighted! Not what you thought but what was said
LOL! A bit hypersensitive there aren't you Woody! Still mad because I caught you lying about the 'Greek' on Acts.17:27?
What is it you have 'experienced'? See you are a mystic! Calvinism and mysticism what a combination! I guess when you can't deal with what the scriptures actually say you have to pretend you are getting your 'insights' from somewhere else.
But there were false prophets also among the people even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies..(2Pet.2:1)
See what I mean about the hecklers?
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