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To: CCWoody
If FTD will take this statement in context, he might notice that it does mock some ideas about free will.

What it mocks is the silly 'straw man' view of free will.

We, of course, know that God does not crawl up to man's citadel of free will.

God gives man a choice-(Rom.10:13)

If FTD will take a closer look at this statement, he might notice that it is presenting Total Depravity: If we would only cast our burdens on Him...

See, there is Calvinism imposing something that is not being said! Did the author say anthing about (well, we really know...) he stated 'if we would', which means to normal rational people, that one could!

Man does not want to let go of his burdens of course. He would rather handle everything all on his own.

He does?

And, behold a woman which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him and touched the hem of his garment. For she said within herself. If i may touch his garment, I shall be whole. But Jesus turned him about and when he saw her, he said Daughter, be of good comfort, thy faith hath made thee whole...(Mat.9:20-22)( Calvinsts know ofcourse, what Christ said is untrue that in fact, the woman was irresistablity drawn to Christ and given the faith, I mean no one wants to cast their burdens on God!!!)

God There's the promised land, go get it. I'm giving it to you. Man But there's giants in there. God I'm giving it to you. Man [wispering to each other] Does He not see the giants? God Remember how I delievered you out of Egypt!!! Man [forming committee to talk about how big the giants are]

Did you go into one of your trances or something Woody? What the heck does the above have to do with anything?

64 posted on 02/14/2002 10:47:06 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration; Jerry_M; xzins
See, there is Calvinism imposing something that is not being said! Did the author say anthing about (well, we really know...) he stated 'if we would', which means to normal rational people, that one could!

News flash! I am the author. Well, at least I steal from the Bible from time to time. Are you going to presume to tell me what I wrote and what I didn't?

I am presenting Total Depravity in the same sense as this Bible passage:

John 5:40 And ye will not come to Me, that ye might have life!

65 posted on 02/15/2002 6:03:33 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: xzins; RnMomof7
Did you go into one of your trances or something Woody? - fortheDeclaration

Re: FRmail from yesterday. See what I mean. He has no goal to discuss anything reasonably. He is just showing us that his goal is to be divisive and disruptive. He mocks what he has never experienced.

66 posted on 02/15/2002 6:10:50 AM PST by CCWoody
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