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A Passion for Glory - Calvinism
13Feb2002 | CCWoody

Posted on 02/13/2002 5:30:35 PM PST by CCWoody

The Goal of God in Redemptive History

A brief and selected overview

Psalm 115:1-3 Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us, but unto Thy name give glory, for Thy mercy and for Thy truth's sake. Why should the heathen say, "Where now is their God?" But our God is in the heavens; He hath done whatsoever He hath pleased.

God's ultimate purpose for all that He does is to preserve and display His glory. It is uppermost in His affections and he prizes and delights in His glory above all things. Anybody who can grasp and understand how precious this is to God will have unlocked the door to the fullness of joy and pleasures forever more (Psalm 16:11) for they will have understood exactly what this means:

The Chief end of man is to Glorify God
BY
Enjoying Him forever!

The term "glory of God" generally refers to the visible splendor or moral beauty of God. With the Psalmist, I too have a strong desire to behold the beauty of the LORD (Psalm 27:4), to simply feel awe and wonder in all that He is. It is for this purpose that God has created man; for His Glory (Revelation 4:11).

Genesis 1:26-27 And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Man, who is created last of all God's work is the only creature to be in His image. He is given dominion and commanded to subdue and fill the earth (1:28). Numbers 14:21 expresses God's purpose in all of this when the Lord says: all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD. Man has been given the exhalted status to bear the image of the Creator so that he will reflect the glory of his Maker.

Therefore, it should come as no surprise that when they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man (Romans 1:23) that God has a perfect right to be furious.

The vast majority of professing Christians simply do not understand the full nature of verses like Romans 1:18: For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness. Yet, the Psalmist David captures the essence of exactly why God is furious at man. Not only have we filled the earth with the corruptible image of man instead of the incorruptible image of God, but we have directly profaned God with our sin:

Psalm 51:3-4 For I acknowledge my transgressions, and my sin is ever before me. Against Thee, Thee only, have I sinned and done this evil in Thy sight, that Thou mightest be justified when Thou speakest, and be clear when Thou judgest.

Behold the words of the Lord in Psalm 78:30-31 after Israel spoke against God (v. 19) saying "Can God prepare a table in the wilderness?":

But they were not estranged from their lust; but while their meat was yet in their mouths, the wrath of God came upon them and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel.

They simply do not understand that this is the Lord:

Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone, And from the peoples no one was with Me. For I have trodden them in My anger, And trampled them in My fury; Their blood is sprinkled upon My garments, And I have stained all My robes.

The vast majority of professing Christians simply cannot understand that this is simply not some isolated event in scripture. God is holy and we are not. We constantly profane His name and tempt Him. And it is precisely this lack of understanding which has given them over to the error that God has purposed a desire to save everyone. He has not. The evidence is clear enough for those willing to read and understand the scriptures.

Egypt 

God saves, not for our sake, but for the sake of His holy name; for His glory. We are the beneficiary of His mercy, not the primary purpose. When one understands this, one understands his proper place. Man is not the center of salvation. The display of God's glory is:

Romans 9:17 For the Scripture saith unto Pharaoh, "Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show My power in thee, and that My name might be declared throughout all the earth."
Ezekel 20:8-9 But they rebelled against Me and would not hearken unto Me. They did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt. "`Then I said, "I will pour out My fury upon them, to accomplish My anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt." But I wrought for My name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen among whom they were, in whose sight I made Myself known unto them in bringing them forth out of the land of Egypt.
Exodus 14:4,18 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he will pursue them. But I will gain glory for myself through Pharaoh and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am the LORD." So the Israelites did this…. The Egyptians will know that I am the LORD when I gain glory through Pharaoh, his chariots and his horsemen."

It is there in black and white for all to see. God acts for His glory and for His name's sake. The prototype of salvation in the Passover Lamb is for His glory. Scripture specifically affirms that together with salvation for His chosen people, God destroyed the firstborn of all Egypt. Salvation and damnation; both for the glory of God. Isaiah 43:3 says the following: For I am the LORD your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I gave Egypt for your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in your place.

Cross Work

Yet, the God of the New Testament is the same God of the Old Testament (Malachi 3:6): For I am the Lord, I do not change. And again (Hebrews 13:8) Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Hebrews 1:1-4 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

When the Father looks on the Son, He beholds the brightness of His own glory and the express image of His own person. When God contemplates His own glory in the image of the Son it brings Him great delight (Isaiah 42:1): Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! The very method with which God has chosen to effect salvation is designed to reveal His own Glory in the Person of the Son.

John 17:4-5 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
John 12:28-28 "Now is My soul troubled, and what shall I say? `Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this cause came I unto this hour. Father, glorify Thy name." Then there came a voice from Heaven, saying, "I HAVE BOTH GLORIFIED IT, AND WILL GLORIFY IT AGAIN."
The purpose of Jesus' death was to glorify the Father. To be willing as the Son of God to suffer the loss of so much glory himself in order to repair the injury done to God's glory by our sin showed how infinitely valuable the glory of God is. To be sure, the death of Christ also shows God's love for us. But we are not at the center.
God put forward his Son on the cross "to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins" (Romans 3:25). In other words, by forgiving sin in the Old Testament and by tolerating many sinners, God had given the impression that his honor and glory were not of infinite worth. Now to vindicate the honor of His name and the worth of His glory, He required the death of His own Son. Thus Christ suffered and died for the glory of the Father. This demonstrates the righteousness of God, because God's righteousness is His unswerving allegiance to uphold the value of His glory. - John Piper from Desiring God (pg. 264-5)

Christ does not exist to make much about man; to crawl up to him and beg that he should accept Him as Savior lest He invade the citadel of man's free will. Quite the contrary, we exist to make much of and enjoy Him. It is demanded of us. And He has made it so easy. If we would only cast our burdens on Him we would be sustained by Him (Psalm 55:22). If we would only call upon Him we would be delivered and we would Glorify Him (Psalm 50:15). He takes great delight in the display of His grace upon those who delight in Him:

Isaiah 46:1-5 Bel boweth down, Nebo stoopeth; their idols were upon the beasts and upon the cattle. Your carriages were heavy laden; they are a burden to the weary beast. They stoop, they bow down together; they could not deliver the burden, but themselves are gone into captivity.
"Hearken unto Me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, who are borne by Me from the belly, who are carried from the womb: And even to your old age I am He, and even to hoary hairs will I carry you. I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.
"To whom will ye liken Me and make Me equal, and compare Me, that we may be like?
Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
Luke 22:27 For who is greater, he who sits at the table, or he who serves? Is it not he who sits at the table? Yet I am among you as the One who serves.

Our Great God is not like pagan idols. They are a burden. Our God will bear us up and carry us if our delight is in Him. For how can we worship him with our hands. It is our God who gives life and breath and all things. (Acts 17:25) For those of us who eagerly wait for Him, he prepares a table for us in the presence of our enemies (Psalm 23:5). We delight ourselves in Him; He gets Glory.

The Coming Day of our Lord

For now, we walk by faith and not by sight (2 Cor 5:7), but the day is coming when our faith will be swallowed up because we shall see him come in all His glory. For now we see Christ in our hearts (Ephesians 1:18) and it is there that we have the knowledge of the glory of God (2Cor 4:6) but our blessed hope is in the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13). Like the lightning, so will be the Son of Man in His day (Luke 17:24). He shall come in His glory and all the holy angels with Him (Matthew 25:31). Not just some, but ALL of His angels and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands (Revelation 5:11). Heaven will empty in the Glorious day of the Lord.

His coming is the revelation of His glory (1 Peter 4:13) and every saint will be a partaker of the glory to be revealed (1 Peter 5:1). The joy of the saints will be in the revealed Glory of Christ (1 Peter 4:13). He shall come on that Day to be glorified in His saints and to be admired in all those who believe (1 Thess 1:10). The Glory of the Lord will be salvation (Hebrews 9:28). He shall change our vile bodies into the likeness of the body of His glory (Philippians 3:21). In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, we will be changed (1 Cor 15:52).

And it will also be the fire of judgement (2 Thess 1:7). Every unbeliever will pay the penalty of eternal destruction away from the Lord and His glory (2 Thess 1:9). The kings of the earth and the slaves will hide themselves in caves and cry out to the rocks "fall on us and hide us from the wrath of the Lamb" (Revelation 6:15-16).

But to those of us who eagerly away for His return:

Luke 12:37 Blessed are those servants whom the lord, when he cometh, shall find watching. Verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

He will not give up the glory of being the grace giver. Our God works for those who wait for Him (Isaiah 30:18, 64:4).

Come magnify the LORD with me,
And let us exalt His name together.
Let us bow down before Him in awe and wonder
to the glory of His name.


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To: CCWoody
marines Nuke 'em all and let God sort 'em out.
Calvinist Preach the gospel to 'em all and let God sort 'em out.
Arminian God please, please, please ignore what I say about free will and change their hearts.
God He who sits in the heavens laughs.

Actually an Arminian might be "please God let me save them"

21 posted on 02/14/2002 9:16:16 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: CCWoody
Your 18 reminds me of a PCA fellow I served with in Korea. He toyed around with the concept of "Mercenary Missionaries".

His concept? Why not airdrop a contingent of heavily armed "missionaries" into remote areas. They can then share the Gospel at gunpoint, and give the listeners 15 minutes to reflect on the message. Then, gun them all down, figuring that God could sort them out on the other side.

I always wondered what his theological basis was for this concept, but he never shared this info. with me.

You know what? I bet he would have no difficulty getting funding for something like that in certain circles!

22 posted on 02/14/2002 9:20:06 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: fortheDeclaration; Jerry_M; RnMomof7; Mahone
Christ does not exist to make much about man; to crawl up to him and beg that he should accept Him as Savior lest He invade the citadel of man's free will. Quite the contrary, we exist to make much of and enjoy Him. It is demanded of us. And He has made it so easy. If we would only cast our burdens on Him we would be sustained by Him (Psalm 55:22). If we would only call upon Him we would be delivered and we would Glorify Him (Psalm 50:15). He takes great delight in the display of His grace upon those who delight in Him:
If FTD will take this statement in context, he might notice that it does mock some ideas about free will. We, of course, know that God does not crawl up to man's citadel of free will.

If FTD will take a closer look at this statement, he might notice that it is presenting Total Depravity: If we would only cast our burdens on Him... Man does not want to let go of his burdens of course. He would rather handle everything all on his own.

God There's the promised land, go get it. I'm giving it to you.
Man But there's giants in there.
God I'm giving it to you.
Man [wispering to each other] Does He not see the giants?
God Remember how I delievered you out of Egypt!!!
Man [forming committee to talk about how big the giants are]

23 posted on 02/14/2002 10:36:32 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: Jerry_M
You know what? I bet he would have no difficulty getting funding for something like that in certain circles!

I'm sure his idea is just a few years ahead of its time.

Revelation 13:7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.


24 posted on 02/14/2002 10:42:46 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: Mahone
"The doctrines of Grace will always be hateful to sinful mankind, because it is the most humbling truth."

Absolutely!

25 posted on 02/14/2002 10:53:18 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: CCWoody
God There's the promised land, go get it. I'm giving it to you.
Man But there's giants in there.
God I'm giving it to you.
Man [wispering to each other] Does He not see the giants?
God Remember how I delievered you out of Egypt!!!
Man [forming committee to talk about how big the giants are]

Decendants of the Nephilim, Woody? Suppose?

26 posted on 02/14/2002 11:06:38 AM PST by Mark17
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To: Mark17
Decendants of the Nephilim, Woody? Suppose?

Not unless they are the descendents of Noah. God got all of them with the Great Flood. If memory serves me, those who read after such things believe that Noah was the only pure bloodline left. But, it has been some time for me...

27 posted on 02/14/2002 11:32:39 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: Jerry_M
You have scary "friends"
28 posted on 02/14/2002 12:00:34 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
He was a fellow soldier. Not sure if we were "friends".
29 posted on 02/14/2002 12:02:31 PM PST by Jerry_M
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To: CCWoody
Heh - what a great definition! I lurk on almost all these threads because they're fascinating but rarely post. I'd say Calvinism is obviously true, because I have known some horribly hardened, unrepentant sinners whose lives have been changed, and afterwards they themselves admit that God wouldn't leave them alone, that they wanted nothing to do with Him - but He didn't give them a choice!

On a personal note, my dearest friend, for whom I prayed for two years without noticable effect, told me recently that she had become a Christian. You can imagine my feelings, and thankfulness for God's mercy!

30 posted on 02/14/2002 12:05:30 PM PST by JenB
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To: Jerry_M
Well if he let YOU live he must have like you :>)) Were you a Calvinist then?
31 posted on 02/14/2002 12:08:09 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: CCWoody
God got all of them with the Great Flood.

No doubt He did get all of them with the Flood, but I have a sneaking suspicion there may have been another outbreak of this, albeit, on a much, much smaller scale. I think this may have been why God ordered the complete destruction of certain peoples in Canaan. Anyway, I hope everyone is doing well today.

32 posted on 02/14/2002 12:11:01 PM PST by Mark17
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To: Jerry_M
(Did you think that we were on opposite sides?)

Not at all, just stating it in another fashion.

33 posted on 02/14/2002 12:13:46 PM PST by Mahone
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To: RnMomof7
Actually an Arminian might be "please God let me save them"

That's right, beat em over the head first with the seven "spiritual laws" and then offer them cost free insurance from hell. Top it with 'name it and claim it' bennies to be healthy, wealthy and oh well, you know... we'll get those suckers into heaven!

34 posted on 02/14/2002 12:16:18 PM PST by Mahone
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To: JenB
I lurk on almost all these threads because they're fascinating but rarely post

Welcome in from the shadows! Yup, Calvinism is Christianity rightly understood and only those who can see it will see it.

35 posted on 02/14/2002 12:19:21 PM PST by Mahone
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To: Mahone
Well, I think until they understand it, Calvinism seems incredibly harsh. But as soon as you do understand it, it's beautiful and merciful, and so you become a Calvinist. Calvinism certainly makes sense to me; it seems to fit all the facts simply and without weird convolutions. So, unless God changes my heart, I'm a Calvinist. ;-)
36 posted on 02/14/2002 12:23:02 PM PST by JenB
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To: RnMomof7
ftd the amount of doctrinal difference is much less that most would think reading these threads....but it is like a gully that is the Grand Canyon when it comes to really letting God have the glory do to Him I think :>)

Not, if you understand Rom.4:4-5 that faith is not a work and that salvation is a free gift.

God gets all the Glory since He did all the work. Even more so, when you consider that He wants all men to be saved (1Tim.2:4) died for all (1Jn.2:2,Heb.2:9), is patient that none perish (1Pet.3:9) and weeps over those who freely reject Him (Matt.23:37. Yes, that is a Glorious and Wonderful God! Oh, I'm sorry, that isn't the God of Calvinism is it? :>

37 posted on 02/14/2002 12:36:01 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Jerry_M
It has been my experience that most Calvinists act like Arminians in their practice, while most Arminians act like Calvinists in their prayers

A bit cryptic, could you elaborate a little more? But so far I can give an 'Amen' to it. Maybe, its because the God of the scriptures is neither an Arminian or Calvinist, but the truth lies somewhere between both systems?

38 posted on 02/14/2002 12:47:35 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Mark17
Anyway, I hope everyone is doing well today.

Well, I have been attacked by my sinuses and I can barely read to my wife at night. But, that just means I have to get closer to irritate someone. It hasn't affected my fingers at all I'm happy to report.

You?

39 posted on 02/14/2002 12:49:22 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: fortheDeclaration
Could Lazarus remain in his grave after the Master called his name? Just as no one can raise themselves from death, no one can resist His call. We are His and He will get all His sheep. He will leave the ninty and nine to go after the one. To say you have anything to do with salvation is blasphemy to His power and glory. You are as dead as an armadillio in the interstate until he raises you to new life. If He can raise stones to worship Him, can He not raise a wad of dirt as ourselves to glorify Him? We are the created, He is the Creator. The call is universal. Those that respond are His, those that don't are the spawn of Satan and he is their father. His sheep know His voice and respond. If you don't respond, you are not His. Seems simple enough to me. What non-Calvinist's can't seem to understand is that some people are created to go to hell. They were fashioned in dishonour. They are NOT His. Judas was born to hell. He was not of the called out. Yet Judas brought glory to the Father by fullfiling his purpose since the foundation of the world. God will recieve His glory, even if it means sending millions to hell. He recieves glory either way.
40 posted on 02/14/2002 1:00:13 PM PST by chuckles
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