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Washington Plans Unprecedented Camera Network
REUTERS ^ | February 13, 2002 08:10 AM ET | Reuters

Posted on 02/13/2002 6:15:46 AM PST by goldylight

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Washington police are building what will be the nation's biggest network of surveillance cameras to monitor shopping areas, streets, monuments and other public places in the U.S. capital, a move that worries civil liberties groups, The Wall Street Journal said on Wednesday.

The system would eventually include hundreds of cameras, linking existing devices in Metro mass transit stations, public schools and traffic intersections to new digital cameras mounted to watch over neighborhoods and shopping districts, the Journal said.

"In the context of Sept. 11, we have no choice but to accept greater use of this technology," Stephen Gaffigan, the head of the police department project, told the Journal.

He said city officials had studied the British surveillance system, which has more than 2 million cameras throughout the country, and were "intrigued by that model."

One of the first uses of police surveillance cameras in Washington was April 2000, when authorities set up a network to monitor protests during a meeting of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, the newspaper said.

On Tuesday morning, in response to the latest terror alert issued by the Justice Department, police activated a $7 million command center that was first used on Sept. 11. The command center, which has dozens of video stations for monitoring cameras, will remain in use until federal officials end the alert, the Journal reported.

Cameras installed by the police have been programmed to scan public areas automatically, and officers can take over manual control if they want to examine something more closely.

The system currently does not permit an automated match between a face in the crowd and a computerized photo of a suspect, the Journal said. Gaffigan said officials were looking at the technology but had not decided whether to use it.

Eventually, images will be viewable on computers already installed in most of the city's 1,000 squad cars, the Journal said.

The Journal said the plans for Washington went far beyond what was in use in other U.S. cities, a development that worries civil liberties advocates.

Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the American Civil Liberties Union in New York, noted there were few legal restrictions of video surveillance of public streets. But he said that by setting up a "central point of surveillance," it becomes likely that "the cameras will be more frequently used and more frequently abused."

"You are building in a surveillance infrastructure, and how it's used now is not likely how it's going to be used two years from now or five years from now," he told the Journal.


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To: boris
You know, if one person, just one person walks up and smashes one of these cameras with a rock then just walks away, they may think he's really sick and they won't go after him.

And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both faggots and they won't go after either of them.

And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking up and smashing a camera with a rock and walking away. They may think it's an organization.

And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day walking up and smashing the camera with a rock and walking away... and friends they may thinks it's a movement…

And that's what it is…

41 posted on 02/13/2002 6:36:12 AM PST by dead
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To: Loopy
Each one of you are just trying to scare the rest of us with these so called incursions into our supposed freedoms.

Maybe things are a lot worse than we realize. That's a scary thought.
Remember, Clinton was a Marxist. How bad could he have set us up for U.N. takeover, really? How vaunerable did he REALLY leave us?
He was anti-American, provable by his Soviet anti-American protests. The "voters" he left behind are also blaming America for not giving away everything America has.
It's a scary thought that we may be in more danger than we know. And to think the left is also attempting to disarm us at the same time.

42 posted on 02/13/2002 6:37:29 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
It's = It

Oops

43 posted on 02/13/2002 6:38:08 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
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To: Travis McGee
"It won't work. First, most of the cameras will be undetectable. Second, in most cases cameras will be in the view of other cameras. Anyone showing too much interest in the cameras will be suspected as a possible terrorist or thief planning an operation or heist."

Some of them will be "undetectable" but many others will not. I do not propose that such a site would have the goal of being perfect and exhaustive. Jus' doin' the bes' we can.

As for 'showing too much interest', I am not sure. It only takes a moment to glance at the camera, look at your Garmin, and note the coordinates and particulars. One advantage that the surveilled have over the surveillors is that they can't watch everywhere at once with the same focus of attention. Machines are not (yet) capable of such automated surveillance.

Apropos of nothing, I often wonder why nobody sneaks up on the "red light" cameras in the dark of night and hoodwinks 'em (put a bag over it, or paint the lens black). It would be possible to do this without being identified (think it through). I thought the Discordians would do something like this. Maybe they're occupied at the moment.

--Boris

44 posted on 02/13/2002 6:38:47 AM PST by boris
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To: Rebelbase
The ACLU takes somewhat principled stands on things, although not all the time. They operate from a certain bias, but this is not a case where there's need for suspician. They've paired up with the Right on many occasions - perhaps you just haven't noticed those times.
45 posted on 02/13/2002 6:38:51 AM PST by technochick99
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To: Loopy
"This adminstration would NEVER allow anything to happen that could harm our freedom"

This administration is'nt going to be in power forever. Imagine Bubba/Hitlery II with the same cast of characters in policy/cabinet postions. Then imagine them with this kind of survellance power.

Scary is'nt it?

46 posted on 02/13/2002 6:39:26 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: callisto
Do you have anything to add to this thread other than we are all terrorists for having concern over the possible loss of liberties and freedom bequeathed us from the Founders of nation? :)

Mockery and sarcasm... :)

47 posted on 02/13/2002 6:41:05 AM PST by lepton
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To: technochick99
Possibly you meant to reply to goldylight at #14, instead of me at #13?
48 posted on 02/13/2002 6:41:10 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: concerned about politics
With your "1984" paranoia you shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. You are obviously very dangerous.

What's the big deal with these cameras. What are they going to do? Catch you picking your nose? If you aren't smoking drugs, buying a prostitute, buying drugs, selling drugs, inciting to riot, or committing terrorist acts, what do you have to worry about? You are with the terrorists!

49 posted on 02/13/2002 6:41:44 AM PST by Loopy
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To: goldylight
What do they mean, "planning?" It is already here. I live in DC and they have a system already in place for speeding! A remote, unmanned detector clocks your car, and a camera simultaneously takes a picture. A week later you get a ticket in them mail with a picture of your car and its license plate, along with a fine ($100 for doing 43 in a 25 zone).

The CIA makes a big deal about taking a picture of Muhammad Omar's license plate. Big deal! We do that right here. So, all you tourists who visit Washington, Dirty City beware: don't speed!

bulldawg

50 posted on 02/13/2002 6:41:45 AM PST by bulldawg
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To: technochick99
They've paired up with the Right on many occasions - perhaps you just haven't noticed those times.

They are very selective in their support for our civil rights, wishing death to the second and tenth amendments, specifically. And their interpretation of the first is absurd.

But they’re right about some of their other crusades. I welcome their support against this crap.

51 posted on 02/13/2002 6:42:25 AM PST by dead
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To: goldylight
This crap is getting out of hand with this administration! I'm beginning to wonder if it would have been better if Gore had won......
52 posted on 02/13/2002 6:45:08 AM PST by hove
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To: Travis McGee; boris
"most of the cameras will be undetectable."

Cameras are wired to a central viewer. No need to find the cameras, list the storage and viewing locs.

53 posted on 02/13/2002 6:45:15 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Rebelbase
You are SO STUPID. Don't you know that W caused a revolution. The people now would NEVER elect DEMONRATS! They know now that the DEMOCRAPS are evil. Even if they didn't you don't honestly think that W lacks the foresight to realize that these laws and rules will someday be in the hands of the Democrat Party. Of course he knows that. So all this fearmongering does you no good because W has already thought of it. Its probably another one of his wiley tricks to further eliminate demopukes from the political scene. He's pulling these brilliant political schemes all the time.
54 posted on 02/13/2002 6:45:37 AM PST by Loopy
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To: Loopy
Hang on Loopy, Loopy hang on. To what we've got--freedom. There's a place for cameras and there's a place for no cameras. You'll never take'em away from major retailers now that they've seen how effective they are for loss prevention. OTOH, if they are everywhere in public they can track your every movement, something which surely must make every thinking person take pause.

What's the program today? We are going to surveil loopy, from the time she leaves her house till the time she returns. A neighbor she doesn't get along with reported possible suspicious activity.....

In a country of 200 million or so, even two million cameras comes out to 1 cam per hundred naive fools. Better a little paranoid than a lot naive.

55 posted on 02/13/2002 6:45:49 AM PST by at bay
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To: hove
Heretic! Heretic!
56 posted on 02/13/2002 6:46:58 AM PST by Loopy
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To: Loopy
Shouldn't you be hanging out at dirty underwear.com?
Yesterday, you complained about bashing Clinton, and threatened to bash every Republican president you could think of if I didn't stop.
. Today, you're all for anything Bush does.
Now, you're attempting to remove my right to the 2nd ammendment for bashing Clinton again.
You're one sick puppy, aye?
57 posted on 02/13/2002 6:47:40 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: at bay
I never do anything illegal and I love my country. So I have nothing to fear. They could put a camera in my living room if they needed to to stop terrorists. Don't you remember 9-11. What's the matter with you. Anyway, its all just temporary. We'll go back to the way it was after the War. BTW, did you forget that there is a war on?
58 posted on 02/13/2002 6:49:07 AM PST by Loopy
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To: hove
This crap is getting out of hand with this administration! I'm beginning to wonder if it would have been better if Gore had won......

We'd all be wearing diapers on our heads and praising Allah!

59 posted on 02/13/2002 6:49:34 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Loopy
A war is on, Loopy?

Just when did our Congress declare war?

Or does the Constitution mean nothing to you?

60 posted on 02/13/2002 6:50:53 AM PST by KirklandJunction
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