[Mojo-jo-jo]

Sorry, doesn't work that way.If you don't like this country, work for change. Which is exactly what many are doing despite the objection of the sheep.

Really...thanks for the clue.

Is THAT what the purpose of this thread is? Or is just being used by some as nice, intellectual reasoning to bash a relatively good man in public service (Ashcroft) by taking a statement out of context? ("To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists,")

In times of war things change. Most sheeple actually comprehend by now that there are millions of illegals in this country, some Middle Eastern, that may actually be in this country for the sole purpose of destroying it. So the powers that be (who enforce the law) are FINALLY taking measures (bound by LAW, not man) to root out these people. Its that simple....nothing more.

That is change. Liberal sheeple dont understand that (as expressed by a select few in this thread)

[francisandbeans]

Look, I was one of the any conservative is better than Reno crowd. I still believe that. However, I expect a certain standard of conduct, and ashcroft using 911 as a means to shut up people concerned about liberties does not meet that standard. Ashcroft is building a track record now and some of us are beginning to judge his performance accordingly.

[AUgrad]

Is THAT what the purpose of this thread is? Or is just being used by some as nice, intellectual reasoning to bash a relatively good man in public service (Ashcroft) by taking a statement out of context? ("To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists,")

In times of war things change. Most sheeple actually comprehend by now that there are millions of illegals in this country, some Middle Eastern, that may actually be in this country for the sole purpose of destroying it. So the powers that be (who enforce the law) are FINALLY taking measures (bound by LAW, not man) to root out these people. Its that simple....nothing more

I disagree with him saying "phantoms of lost liberty". He denies that the very thing many of us fear is happening at all. I don't see the threat of lost liberty as a "phantom". I see it as a very real threat. The fact that as AG Ashcroft chose to address this tells me he sees it as a threat to his agenda.I realize his words do not carry the force of law. However, they do set the tone for the entire law enforcement community. That's why I find them disturbing.

The first amendment protects both popular and unpopular speech equally. Don't tell me this is "yelling fire in a crowded theatre" either. That analogy doesn't hold water.I see his words as an attempt to squelch dissent when dissent is most desperately needed.

Respectfully