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Is THAT what the purpose of this thread is? Or is just being used by some as nice, intellectual reasoning to bash a relatively good man in public service (Ashcroft) by taking a statement out of context? ("To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists,")

In times of war things change. Most sheeple actually comprehend by now that there are millions of illegals in this country, some Middle Eastern, that may actually be in this country for the sole purpose of destroying it. So the powers that be (who enforce the law) are FINALLY taking measures (bound by LAW, not man) to root out these people. Its that simple....nothing more

I disagree with him saying "phantoms of lost liberty". He denies that the very thing many of us fear is happening at all. I don't see the threat of lost liberty as a "phantom". I see it as a very real threat. The fact that as AG Ashcroft chose to address this tells me he sees it as a threat to his agenda.I realize his words do not carry the force of law. However, they do set the tone for the entire law enforcement community. That's why I find them disturbing.

The first amendment protects both popular and unpopular speech equally. Don't tell me this is "yelling fire in a crowded theatre" either. That analogy doesn't hold water.I see his words as an attempt to squelch dissent when dissent is most desperately needed.

Respectfully

When folks argue that we are denying liberty to AL Quaeda terrorist in GITMO by not recognizing them as POW's, is that a phantom argument or not?

And if it is a phantom, who is being aided by the Eurotrash and their American allies in keeping that garbage on the front burner?

IMHO, those arguing that Al Quaeda are being denied liberty by being classified detainees rather than pow's is exactly the sought of thing Ashcroft was talking about.

This is where I was coming from too...time will tell which one of us is correct.

BTW...most of you southern folks are might respectful :)