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Why do you debate about evolution?
me ^ | 2-5-2002 | me

Posted on 02/05/2002 8:18:30 AM PST by JediGirl

For those of us who are constantly checking up on the crevo threads, why do you debate the merits (or perceived lack thereof) of evolution?


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To: OWK
Seeing how other atheists exist (what are the odds?) on Free Republic, I will conclude that, in all liklihood, the poster was removed for reasons other than the argument he was persuing here.
101 posted on 02/05/2002 11:27:02 AM PST by Dales
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To: JediGirl
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Darn, I always seem to miss all the good replies.

102 posted on 02/05/2002 11:32:23 AM PST by sinclair
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To: Dales
Seeing how other atheists exist (what are the odds?) on Free Republic, I will conclude that, in all liklihood, the poster was removed for reasons other than the argument he was persuing here.

I didn't see anything that warranted a removal of the poster and any record of his existence... but I didn't read the whole thread.

I read enough to know that he wasn't very popular.

103 posted on 02/05/2002 11:36:09 AM PST by OWK
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To: L,TOWM
Mathematics asks (and answers) different questions from phycical sciences. Verification means something different.
104 posted on 02/05/2002 11:37:09 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Dales
One had to be?

More accurately, one or more such universes exist. We don't know how many exist, but we know there is at least one where we are possible.

105 posted on 02/05/2002 11:45:18 AM PST by tortoise
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To: Diamond
Neatly dated [warehouses full of fossils]?

Well-enough dated to support the theory of evolution.

The Dark AgesTM has been a pretty pretty good marketing gimmick, but the modern scientific method was still begun by creationists.

Not surprising, given that prior to Darwin, virtually everyone was a creationist.

If Creator-less evolution is true then it really doesn't matter a hill of beans what one's worldview is.

It matters to me what my worldview is.

I didn't realize the drafters of the Constitution were evolutionists.

Being pre-Darwin, of course they weren't. But they were entirely able and willing to do their own thinking. If they had only acted in accordance with the received wisdom of their past, there would have been no Revolution.

I'm no threat to you, PatrickHenry. That's a mighty broad brush yer paintin' with there, friend. But in the grand evolutionary scheme of things, what difference would it make if one group of 'unthinking' people were able to overpower you and kill you, for example? Wouldn't that just be 'natural selection' at work?

It would be murder, and it would be wrong. (But a creationist mob might not see it that way.)

106 posted on 02/05/2002 11:49:17 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Understood. The point that I was trying to make is that truths gathered from sensory observations in controlled circumstances are a subset of what can be called "knowledge".
107 posted on 02/05/2002 11:49:51 AM PST by L,TOWM
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To: JediGirl
why do you debate the merits

I don't enter into these debates much, but I think those who do feel they are defending or attacking the basis of religion. I thnk the C/E debates are pointless when they confuse the inner and the outer teachings of religion.

108 posted on 02/05/2002 11:59:22 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: sinclair
This is the most heavily-moderated thread I've ever seen. What is going on here?
109 posted on 02/05/2002 12:01:30 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: JediGirl
Before I read too many replies, I'll respond honestly:

I participate in "crevo" threads for two basic reasons.

1. To learn

2. To explore and perhaps convince others that nobody knows the answer to the "ultimate" questions of life and origin. That at some point all knowledge accepts something on faith, and therefore evolution has no superior claim to truth.

110 posted on 02/05/2002 12:05:26 PM PST by sayfer bullets
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To: JediGirl
sounds to me like you dont know enough about it to talk. as a p chem student, i think i know a lot more about it than the average person. dont talk the talk unless you can walk the walk...in other words dont state that somebody is wrong unless you can provide evidence for your claim.
112 posted on 02/05/2002 12:09:19 PM PST by pro-life
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To: PatrickHenry; OWK
This is the most heavily-moderated thread I've ever seen. What is going on here?

All those posts were from a new poster, just registered today, named 'down with all kings'. His account was nuked, which means that all of his posts were automatically deleted. I thought this was an over-the-top reaction to his comments, until it occurred to me that he might have been someone who was banned before. The powers-that-be can check IP addresses.

It would be murder, and it would be wrong.

Why would it be qualitatively different than a lion killing and eating a wildebeest?

113 posted on 02/05/2002 12:16:23 PM PST by malakhi
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To: JediGirl
Because, at heart, even though I do not do it anymore, I like to teach, as well as learn. I do it because while I'm not a biologist, I'm an astronomer, and I find that Big Bang theory gets lumped under that evolutionary umbrella an awful lot! Not many people are interested in astronomy, so someones gotta explain it.
115 posted on 02/05/2002 12:21:37 PM PST by ThinkPlease
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To: toddhisattva
I don't know where my brother picked up his creationist fundamentalist idiocy, it's certainly not from anyone in our family.

Maybe he is rebelling from his roots. You know, like Johnny Taliban did. ;^)

116 posted on 02/05/2002 12:24:02 PM PST by sinclair
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To: angelo
Why would it be qualitatively different than a lion killing and eating a wildebeest?

I'm not sure where the question to which you were responding came from, but I'll form a response to your response, in the absence of context, and hope that I don't miss the mark.

Human beings are differentiated from animals in that they have the cognitive and frontal brain function necessary to restrain impulsive and instinctive behavior, and act in accordance with the dictates of reason.

117 posted on 02/05/2002 12:25:14 PM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
I'm not sure where the question to which you were responding came from

PatrickHenry's response to Diamond's #45.

Human beings are differentiated from animals in that they have the cognitive and frontal brain function necessary to restrain impulsive and instinctive behavior, and act in accordance with the dictates of reason.

Agreed. Now, given that we can 'restrain impulsive and instinctive behavior', why should we? Is it simply fear of punishment from those with more power that restrains us, or is there an objective moral imperative?

118 posted on 02/05/2002 12:29:06 PM PST by malakhi
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To: JediGirl
I've listened to several debates on this subject, and think that one viewpoint is regularly forgotten completely. What if God, in his infinite wisdom, created evolution also? Evolution IS the Hand of God, as this incredibly dynamic process guides ALL existence through ALL time. If the entire universe and all it's creatures were created in a static form, it would not even have lasted long enough for man to arrive and ponder such questions in the first place. If Life had been created, with no means of mutating, adapting and dividing species to compensate for larger occurrences in the enviroment, Life as we know it, would have died out completely, and this planet would be as barren as the moon.
119 posted on 02/05/2002 12:40:31 PM PST by spoiler2
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To: angelo
Agreed. Now, given that we can 'restrain impulsive and instinctive behavior', why should we? Is it simply fear of punishment from those with more power that restrains us, or is there an objective moral imperative?

There is an objective moral imperative, defined by the application of reason to reality.

I am a human being.

Each of my rational actions is chosen in affirmation of my values, in pursuit of my happiness.

In order to pursue happiness, I must be free to act in accordance with my own understanding of it.

Other human beings likewise require freedom to act in accordance with their own understanding of happiness, in order to pursue happiness.

There are only two ways in which a rational human being may be prohibited from acting in accordance with the dictates of his own will. Initiated force, and fraud.

If I am to pursue happiness, I must be free of initiated force and fraud on the part of others.

If I am to claim the pursuit of happiness as a moral imperative, I must be willing to deal with others only by consent, forswearing the initation of force, or fraud.

And there you have it in a nutshell.... a rationally derived moral code.

120 posted on 02/05/2002 12:41:31 PM PST by OWK
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