One day, income tax system has got to go

Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | 2-03-02 | Jack Markowitz

[doosee]

It will be another year of reforming around the edges of the U.S. income tax code.

Too bad. This is a menace that's been asking for it for a long time. It deserves to be driven out of its caves and gotten off the backs of Americans.

[FITZ]

Would the sales tax mean the end to the Social Security tax and system too? I could support it maybe.

[verity]

"One day, income tax system has got to go"

It will occur on the same day the author flies by flapping his arms!

[Bigun]

I believe that if we were to move to a retail tax, nothing could be exempted for fear of the number of exemptions increasing over the years. A whole breed of lobbyist would be created, dedicated to showing congressmen why a certain product should be exempt.

Exactly true! There is a better way!

In 1976, then President-to-be Jimmy Carter said,"Our income tax system is a disgrace to the human race." Twenty-five years later, in 2001, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill said of the income tax system, "An advanced society such as ours deserves better."

The time for tax reform is... NOW!

[FITZ]

I have kids but I'm a ways above the poverty level. It seems that I would pay several times what someone making the same money as I would pay if they had no kids and instead were saving up all their money. If my kids then have to pay into a Social Security system that benefits them, then I'd be against it.

[Jhoffa_]

I would like to see a flat tax myself..

If 10% is enough for God, it should be plenty for Uncle FedGov.

[Bigun]

Would the sales tax mean the end to the Social Security tax and system too? I could support it maybe.

If H.R. 2525, the bill under current consideration which I support, there would be NO federal tax deductions from your paycheck of any kind!

A portion of the tax collected would go to the general fund, a portion would fund Social security, and another Medicare.

Here is what Fedup Smith's paycheck looks like now AND what it would look like after the "FAIRTAX" is enacted:

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[Comus]

Right!

No government anywhere has voluntarily surrendered power. It will not happen here, and don't give me that crap about the electorate rising up and forcing a change. If voting could change anything they would not let us do it.

[steve50]

"If voting could change anything they would not let us do it."

Great line, h3ll of it is it's the truth

[3catsanadog]

The IRS is the American version of the KGB. Our government is adverse to picking citizens at random and brutally torturing them, so they apply a financial punishment to keep the peasants in line.

We really need a coordinated grass roots group like the gays and blacks have done to get countrywide support for tax changes. Peaceful protests at IRS offices on 4/15 every year and at the post offices.

I agree with the sales tax idea. It's time Suzy Prostitute and Johnny Drug Dealer pay their fare share.

Let's start writing (not emailing - they never read emails because there are too many) our Congressmen - the ones who continue to vote themselves 50,000 dollar raises every other year.

Start counting up all the little taxes on your utility bills and add that to property, real estate, state and local taxes and you'll find yourself paying half your income in taxes. I'm so fed up with it all.

[FITZ]

Social Security and Medicare should also be eliminated. The taxes saved could be invested and people can pay their own way on everything. People with children won't have as nearly as much to save because they'll pay tax on each child but then might get some help later if they need it from their own kids.

[c-b 1]

Our system of taxation is a symptom, it is not the problem. The problem is the largesse and expanse of the Federal Government. Taxation is the fuel which allows government to expand. The method of taxation is irrelavent.

That says it all!

[reg45]

I hope it goes away for a lot longer than one day.

[Bigun]

Social Security and Medicare should also be eliminated.

I wholeheartedly agree with you my friend but let's focus on ONE THING AT A TIME!

[Bigun]

"It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption, that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. They prescribe their own limit; which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed, that is, an extension of the revenue. When applied to this object, the saying is as just as it is witty, that, "in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make four." If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds. This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them."

Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 21, December 12, 1787

[Beenliedto]

If voting could change anything they would not let us do it.

They DON'T let us do it! Just look at the huge hurdles any third party has to overcome to establish a foothold... it's virtually impossible, with the deck stacked by the election process. On the national level, we're given a choice between Bush and Gore.... or Bush and Clinton... or Clinton and Dole.....

Big and Bigger...

[carenot]

Thanks for the ping, Bigun.

[steve50]

That's the trick. They have most people thinking it's a two party system. Both sides want the same thing, total control.

[carenot]

If we can get HR2525 passed, every month everyone would get a prebate check. It is enough to pay all the NRST up to poverty level because it assumed that poor people pay all their income for neccesities.

[makingsense]

"Bush is a liberal republican . . ."

I cannot go so far as to agree with you that Bush is a liberal. It seems more complicated than that.

Last Monday, Alan Keyes devoted an entire television show to the evils of the income tax. During his show, he reminded us that the income tax system itself provides politicians with a mechanism by which they can manipulate us as voters and citizens:

"As a matter of fact, what the income tax does — and this is the debate that I think we always try to get into in order to let you and him fight, see — and the people of this country are led down a path where the actual control of their resources, which in the end is the control over their will, is handed off to the government."

. . .

"The government then manipulates that will in order to destroy the freedom of our electoral system through the income tax structure, and we call the resulting slavery a free system."

"In point of fact, it is not as the founders understood, and the only way to restore real freedom is to give people back control over the income that they earn so that they won‘t, at the voting booth and in other phony issues, be subject to that manipulation."

- KEYES TRANSCRIPT (01/28/02)

I believe that we are already seeing the development of a significant grass-roots movement to restore our political system to one that more faithfully complies with the intentions of our initial Founding Fathers.