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One day, income tax system has got to go
Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | 2-03-02 | Jack Markowitz

Posted on 02/03/2002 3:17:46 AM PST by doosee

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:02:21 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It will be another year of reforming around the edges of the U.S. income tax code.

Too bad. This is a menace that's been asking for it for a long time. It deserves to be driven out of its caves and gotten off the backs of Americans.


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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: taxreform
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To: doosee
EXCELLENT IDEA (equating it to the war on terrorsim)

I just finished doing my taxes- 75 pages long, and it is MIND BOGGLING the complexity and idiocy of this system!!

Listening to the start of the superbowl it occurred to me that the original declaration of independance would apply equally well to the people today against our OWN govt...

121 posted on 02/03/2002 4:41:50 PM PST by Mr. K
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To: scripter
the government will have no idea how much money I make LOL!...Oh, OK.

FINANCIAL INTERMEDIATION SERVICES

SEC. 903. WAGES TO BE REPORTED TO SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION.

122 posted on 02/03/2002 4:54:04 PM PST by lewislynn
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To: Judith Anne
Count me in, Judith Anne!
123 posted on 02/03/2002 5:01:31 PM PST by Darth Sidious
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To: doosee
I hope you're right.
124 posted on 02/03/2002 5:09:33 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: scripter

You have a ton of tax links in your profile!

Click here for a much larger set of links as regards taxreform --> [ CHIEF negotiator ]

The CHIEF was around from the beginning of these threads.

[The bugler's call--A Tribute to CHIEF Negotiator.]

He continues to have alot to teach us all.

125 posted on 02/03/2002 5:55:01 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: lewislynn
Clicking on your links return the following


Please resubmit your search
Search results are only retained for a limited amount of time.Your search results have either been deleted, or the file has been updated with new information.

126 posted on 02/03/2002 6:05:09 PM PST by scripter
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To: scripter

Clicking on your links return the following

Lewy tends to do that with his links, This is where the source text for HR2525 on the Thomas system is:

H.R.2525 Text
SPONSOR: Rep Linder, John (introduced 07/17/2001)
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.
Refer:
http://www.fairtax.org

The wages section refers to the requirement of employers to report SS/Medicare base wages to the Social Security administration for the purposes assure proper credit for benefits. That must remain in place until such time as the Social Security system is privatized and repealed.

The Financial Remediation Servis stuff he indicates is about brokerage & financial fees embedded into loan interest reats. Interest on the principle of a loan is not taxable under the NRST, but all brokerage and financial service fees are. The provision prevents the folding of such fees into the interest rate of the loan as extra added on points to avoid the payment of the tax on such services.

I highly suggest you go to the bill and read it thoroughly. Lewislynn's excerpts tend to be partial and can mislead if the entire text is not studied.

127 posted on 02/03/2002 7:00:29 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: Darth Sidious
I am actually giving this April 2-15th march idea some serious thought...pre-planning brainstorming, but counting on no one but myself...of course I don't want to do it alone, but I need a sign...Something from the Declaration of Independence, I think...
128 posted on 02/03/2002 9:08:39 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: ancient_geezer
Thanks. I'm really familiar with HR2525 as, a couple of years ago, I followed a link on http://www.scrapthecode.com

I didn't mean to imply I was new to alternative tax measures in any of my posts.

129 posted on 02/03/2002 10:07:43 PM PST by scripter
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To: scripter
the poster to whom you reply is known for making misleading statements, incomplete quotes, and fake links. Most people just ignore him.
130 posted on 02/04/2002 6:00:04 AM PST by Principled
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To: lewislynn
Just what do you think all those off-shore ventures were for?
131 posted on 02/04/2002 6:34:29 AM PST by blackdog
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To: doosee

THERE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. IT'S CALLED THE NATIONAL RETAIL SALES TAX. GET ON BOARD IF YOU WANT TO END THIS ANNUAL INSANITY!


132 posted on 02/04/2002 6:51:31 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: ancient_geezer
Glad to see your 'puter is back alive and getting smarter by the moment ...

Little Willie was "The Worst President In American History".

133 posted on 02/04/2002 7:09:52 AM PST by pigdog
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To: max61
No max, it's not irrelevant and it is far more than a sympton. The income tax system is the carrot and stick by which politicians lie to us about how much we pay in taxes since they never include or mention the 20 to 40 percent increase in prices caused by the cascading hidden income taxes that get embedded into consumer prices.

They also like to pretend the payroll tax does not exist or is not a tax.

A NRST such as the FairTax eliminates this non-productive tax increase completely alson with the IRS and the income tax itself.

Little Willie was "The Worst President In American History".

134 posted on 02/04/2002 7:17:24 AM PST by pigdog
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To: jaq
In fact, jag, a tax such as the FairTax greatly helps the poor - far more so that the wealthier individuals among us.

If you do a bit of research you'll come to this same conclusion.

Little Willie was "The Worst President In American History".

135 posted on 02/04/2002 7:22:08 AM PST by pigdog
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To: FITZ
Take the family of 6 mentioned just above and figure out the fact that not only will prices of the things they buy be reduced by from 20 to 40 percent, but they will no longer pay the 15.3% in payroll tax on their $25,000 PLUS they will receive a substantial "prebate" based solely upon family size.

ALL of their income is theirs to use as they see fit, not as the politicians try to "steer" them into doing via income tax laws.

Little Willie was "The Worst President In American History".

136 posted on 02/04/2002 7:27:36 AM PST by pigdog
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To: Mike4Freedom
Perhaps it doesn't strike you after almost 90 years of the income tax, but NOTHING about the income tax or the 16th (or any other) amendment will ever be "proved" to be anything, let alone invalid.

The ONLY way to rid us of the depredations of the income tax/IRS combine is to combine to demand legislative action by the Beltway Bastards in passing something like the FairTax (HR2525) into law for taxation.

Little Willie was "The Worst President In American History".

137 posted on 02/04/2002 7:32:54 AM PST by pigdog
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To: FITZ
A tax bill such as HR2525 (the FairTax) cannot also validly do away with Social Security and Medicare. That can only be done by separate legislation.

The FairTax can, however, change the way in which those entitlements are funded and make it so that to increase them the tax rate must be raised on EVERYONE - rich and poor alike - since all pay tax at the same rate.

You will find that politicians are not so brave without the political cover the income tax laws give them in hiding taxes and in punishing only certain groups. They will become much less eager to raise taxes when all voters are affected.

And keep in mind, as Alexander Hamilton, the first Secretary of the Treasury said in Federalist Papers #21:

"It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption
that they contain in their own nature a security against excess.

They prescribe their own limit, which cannot be exceeded without
defeating the end proposed - that is, an extension of the revenue.

When applied to this object, the saying is as just as it is witty
that, "in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make four."

If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection
is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when
they are confined within proper and moderate bounds.

This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the
citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of
the power of imposing them
.

Impositions of this kind usually fall under the denomination of indirect
taxes, and must for a long time constitute the chief part of the revenue
raised in this country.
" (Emphasis added).

Little Willie was "The Worst President In American History".
138 posted on 02/04/2002 7:47:27 AM PST by pigdog
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To: c-b 1
No, it doesn't; not by a long shot ... please read #134.

Little Willie was "The Worst President In American History".

139 posted on 02/04/2002 7:51:14 AM PST by pigdog
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To: lewislynn
What it tells most people, Looey, is that the income tax system is unfair and broken beyond repair or comprehension.

It also indicates your liberal Democrat bias.

Little Willie was "The Worst President In American History".

140 posted on 02/04/2002 7:58:20 AM PST by pigdog
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