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Some of this is a tad scarey to me. I know we need all the help we can get, but I truly wonder sometimes if their support is unconditonal and is based on the preservation of Jews or the preservation of the Land of Israel. I would hope it is the latter, but I fear it is the former. Evangelicals smile as they try to convert you. I am reminded of the Columbine Tragedy.
A Rabbi, scheduled to speak had made a crosscountry trip to speak at the Memorial service, taking the time to fly and had to be back in NY for Sabbath. He had to leave immediately after his prayer to get back before sundown. The next scheduled speaker was the head of Baptist Minitries. He gave a speech excoriating the Jews at a service for dead children. I have never quite understood that vitriol at that particular time, but it sharpened my awareness of things going on around me that I might otherwise not have noticed, isolated as I am.
I don't condemn anyone else's religion except, perhaps for Islam, but I must adnit, Eveangelical Baptisits ahve given me great pause.

>I would hope it is the latter, but I fear it is the former.

My bad. Reverse English.

Reading too much Hebrew will do that.

I would hope it is the former, but I fear it is the latter.

Fortunately only God has the power to condemn anyone in the ultimate meaning of the term, not you.

I am an Evangelical Baptist, BTW, but I certainly do not expect you to become one. Once again, only God could have the power to do that.

If Israel wants to start cutting off practically its only sources of support (in terms of raw electoral numbers) in this country, that's its choice.

Evangelicals smile as they try to convert you.

Terrible isn't it? How dare Christians practice the bedrock principle of their faith. Better join the ACLU today and try to stop them before they convert you. Norman Lear has a group which does much good in driving Christians out of the public square to places where they can't bother you. Check out People for the American Way. I suspect you'll feel right at home.

Or you might do as I do. Just say no.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Can you not give others credit for seeing the right and wrong in an issue as - I assume - you see it, even if they are brought into an initial awareness by their religious doctrine?

Support for Israel would not have legs if Israel were not a fundamentally moral society.

In response to post 6; I would understand any Jews hesitation in trusting Christians. There is a long history of people calling themselves by Christ's name persecuting Jews. Anti-semitism in the church is a recorded fact of history, and there are many anti-semites calling themselves Christians today. Nevertheless, there are many born-again Christians who understand, our faith is based on a Jewish Man, founded by Jewish disciples, planting mostly Jewish churches during the religion's nascent beginning. Furthermore, many fundementalists see the unconditional promises G-d gave to Israel.

All rascism is bad, but there is something particularly satanic about anti-semitism. Look at Revelation 12 sometime. All Christians should support Israel/Jews, because the One whom the Christians call G-d, calls the Jews the apple of His eye. Cheers

A side note. The Judeo traditional law is the same as Sharia in many respects, one being stoning to death of a married woman, raped or not, who would really be witness. It is true it is ignored as Western law prevails and is preferable. Consider Abrahams's treatment of his first born Ishmael, a patriarchal nemesis to the value of a child he chose to have.

"Some of this is a tad scarey to me. I know we need all the help we can get, but I truly wonder sometimes if their support is unconditonal and is based on the preservation of Jews or the preservation of the Land of Israel. I would hope it is the latter, but I fear it is the former. Evangelicals smile as they try to convert you. I am reminded of the Columbine Tragedy. A Rabbi, scheduled to speak had made a crosscountry trip to speak at the Memorial service, taking the time to fly and had to be back in NY for Sabbath. He had to leave immediately after his prayer to get back before sundown. The next scheduled speaker was the head of Baptist Minitries. He gave a speech excoriating the Jews at a service for dead children. I have never quite understood that vitriol at that particular time, but it sharpened my awareness of things going on around me that I might otherwise not have noticed, isolated as I am. I don't condemn anyone else's religion except, perhaps for Islam, but I must adnit, Eveangelical Baptisits ahve given me great pause."

Nix, please give me a source for your statement regarding "The head of Baptist Ministries" excoriating the Jews at Columbine. I'm of Baptist backround myself, and I have to tell you that this sounds like bad info. For one thing, the term "the head of Baptist Ministries" is like saying "The Rabbi who reads the Torah." There is no "Head" of Baptist Ministries.

Of the 3 forms listed above, the Eschatological view of Darby is the only one that has any sway among Baptists.