Posted on 02/01/2002 10:21:47 AM PST by Exnihilo
If we are all in a boat, would you rather be in a position to say to the others "See, I told you so.." as you are all sinking..
Or try to get into a position to make the necessary repairs?
(And then gloat! LOL!)
You are free to define yourself as you please.
To continue the analogy, I think the fundamental difference between you and I, is that I do not believe poking holes in the bottom of the boat to make it lighter, will enhance our chances of making it to shore for repairs.
Agreed.
But Governments instituted by men never do.
That may be the intention in the beginning, but then corruption enters in.
You know that I and some other theists on this forum are pretty fanatic when it comes to freedom, too. And that was the point of my post. I believe that those who do not choose Christ are making a tragic mistake. I also believe that trying to force a moral code onto people or force a religion into people's lives is a monstrous evil.
G-d does'nt want forced servitude, be it men forcing men to serve themselves, or men forcing men to "serve" G-d (which is ultimately, another serving of men). Socialism is evil. "Point of the Sword" evangelism is evil. Some of us are fanatically passionate about G-d and freedom; the posters I responded to did'nt seem to acknowledge that.
Very good.
So, I guess the answer is for the LP to stay it's present course?
You know that I and some other theists on this forum are pretty fanatic when it comes to freedom, too. And that was the point of my post. I believe that those who do not choose Christ are making a tragic mistake. I also believe that trying to force a moral code onto people or force a religion into people's lives is a monstrous evil.
G-d does'nt want forced servitude, be it men forcing men to serve themselves, or men forcing men to "serve" G-d (which is ultimately, another serving of men). Socialism is evil. "Point of the Sword" evangelism is evil. Some of us are fanatically passionate about G-d and freedom; the posters I responded to did'nt seem to acknowledge that.
WHY DEMOCRACY IS WRONG [which says among other things, RICH Persons should not be allowed to vote!]
The reality is that the rich (and some other categories) have a double, and more than double, vote. Depriving them of the vote partly corrects this structural injustice in
western democracies. Voting and candidacy rights could be removed from such categories as:
Hard work and longer working hours are praised by politicians and business, in the successful EU economies. The 'shining
example' is the USA, which indeed has the longest workweek of any advanced economy. But hard work is morally wrong - with
certain exceptions, such as the fire service or health care.
[just look at all of this filth!]
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/
This guy didn't just think up lies about libertarians he would like to destroy all Americans!
His work makes him seem like the TED KAZINSKI of Holland!
That's a great example.
God himself picked and guided him.. then, he became corrupt (because no man can handle absolute power.. or anything even close to that) and used his position for his own benefit.
We should always vote for the best.. and try.
It's never going to be an ideal situation though.
But there is no point, just like there is no point arguing with someone who insists blue is brown.
If you can't agree on common definitions, a logical and educational debate is impossible. And this author is willfully obfuscating and saying blue is brown. His premises can simply be dismissed because he's blatantly lying about libertarianism.
I just dismiss this and move on. His whole article reads like someone who had to give a book report and simply skimmed his Cliff's Notes. It's very apparent he doesn't know the subject well enough to make a coherent or credible case.
If you are making enough progress (moving fast enough) those holes will actually save our lives by drawing water out.
If you sit dead in the water, making no progress.. then you will surely drown.
If you consider the case of Islam - a religion of inolerance, coercion, conquest and cultural genocide - the distinction's pretty clear. And not even all Muslims embrace that particular worldview.
What is clear is that those who resort to violence in order to silence those with whom they do not agree, those who would murder others whom they believe would stand in the way of the achievement their perfect world share a common heritage and pedigree of ideas.
My own personal take on faith and matters of belief is that the farther one looks outside onself, the farther one is from the truth. It's one the very very few of Jesus the Master's messages that has survived intact over the centuries. It's a message that every great teacher/master has in common.
I still believe that Christ's message can triumph in a free exchange of ideas; after all, in my own atheistic and hedonistic heart, his love and truth triumphed. So, I talk. I hope that the culture will change one person at a time. Until then , I homeschool my kids, and try to follow some good advice - "Live peacebly among men, as much as possible."
Sounds like jealousy and insecurity talking!
It is valid to point out that Democrats tend to be uneducated, ignorant, and underemployed vs Republicans, but it is invalid to point out that libertarians are more likely to be mensans than are Republicans or Demorats?
This shows that they are extreme elitists and simply don't want to be involved in a normal party because they can't stand out in a crowd well enough that way.
Just the opposite. Mensans are much more likely to stand out in a general crowd than in one of their peers. And it shouldn't take a mensan to understand that.
Elitism is most abhorred by those who can't get inside.
The same thing could be said about success at the polls..
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