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TWA Flight 800 - Someone Has Finally Talked!
WorldNetDaily ^ | January 31, 2002 | Reed Irvine

Posted on 01/31/2002 5:49:54 PM PST by VectoRama

Someone has finally talked!

By Reed Irvine
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

Those who accept the government's claim that the crash of TWA Flight 800 was caused by a fuel-tank explosion dismiss the evidence that the plane was shot down accidentally by missiles launched in a Navy exercise off the Long Island coast. They say that such an accident could not have been covered up because a lot of Navy personnel would have known about it, and some of them would have talked.

One of them has finally done so. He recently said in an interview that I recorded that he was on the deck of a Navy submarine very close to the crash site and saw TWA 800 shot down.

He was brought to my attention by an acquaintance of his who told me that this retired Navy petty officer had said he was "underneath TWA 800 when he saw a missile hit it and the 747 explode overhead." He had told this acquaintance that he had given a statement to the FBI when they returned to their port, and that the FBI had checked all their torpedo tubes and all their missile silos to make sure they had all the missiles on board that they had when they left port. Asked if there were other military vessels in the area, he had said, "Yes, several."

When Pierre Salinger, at a press conference in March 1997, declared that TWA Flight 800 had been shot down accidentally by a U.S. Navy missile, this former presidential press secretary, U.S. Senator and ABC News correspondent, was mercilessly attacked by his former colleagues. They accused him of peddling unsubstantiated Internet gossip. Salinger said that his information had been confirmed by a source who learned of the Navy's involvement from a friend who had a son in the Navy. The son was said to have personal knowledge that a Navy missile had downed the plane, but his father did not want to be identified, fearing his son would suffer retaliation for disclosing information the Navy was hiding.

There are hundreds of Navy and Coast Guard personnel, as well as some FBI, CIA, FAA, NTSB and former White House employees who know that the real cause of the crash of TWA 800 was papered over with a tissue of lies. Two of them, James Kallstrom and George Stephanopoulos, have made statements that indicate an official cover-up. Stephanopoulos, a Clinton adviser who is now an ABC News correspondent, mentioned on the air a secret meeting in the White House situation room "in the aftermath of the TWA 800 bombing." Kallstrom, who headed the FBI's TWA 800 investigation, told me – and I have this on tape – that three radar targets close to the crash site were Navy vessels on a classified maneuver. We know they were submarines because the radar tracks disappeared when TWA 800 crashed.

Our newly found talker was on one of those submarines. The Navy claims that it was at least 80 miles from the crash site, but he says it was very close, and that is confirmed by the radar tracks. In our taped interview, he was more guarded than he had been with his acquaintance. He said he didn't want to do anything that might "mess up" his retirement.

He said he saw "something come up." "I don't know what in the hell it was," he said, "but that's what it looked ..." Not completing what he started to say, he said, "You know, something went up." He estimated that it went up about a mile from his location, which was only a few miles from the shore. He said there were a couple of other subs nearby. When told that the radar tracks of all three disappeared because they submerged when the plane went down, he said, "Yeah, that's what we did."

He acknowledged that a number of Navy vessels were heading for W-105, a large area of the ocean south of Long Island that is used for naval maneuvers. He said that nothing they did off Long Island was classified, but he was not comfortable in discussing it.

When I called him a few days later, he was scared to death. He feared the Navy would withdraw his pension if I reported what he had said. It was not possible to convince him that the Navy couldn't do that. Not wanting to worsen his anxiety, his name and other details are being withheld as we try to get his and other interview reports that the FBI has withheld.

Reed Irvine is the chairman of Accuracy In Media, a media watchdog group based in Washington, D.C.


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1 posted on 01/31/2002 5:49:54 PM PST by VectoRama
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To: VectoRama
Yeah, ha ha, an anonymous someone. Did he see Elvis too?
2 posted on 01/31/2002 5:54:34 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: VectoRama
Will the truth finally break out? I doubt it, but I sure wish it would.

The case of TWA 800 and the case of the recent plane crash in Flushing are entirely different. There is overwhelming evidence that TWA 800 was brought down by a missile. The evidence in last fall's disaster is unclear so far, and the witness testimony is conflicting and uncertain, to my mind at least.

Once the government covers something up, for whatever reason, it usually stays covered up, even under a new administration. But we can always hope. Clinton is such a scum. He has hundreds of crimes to answer for.

3 posted on 01/31/2002 5:58:59 PM PST by Cicero
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To: VectoRama
**Bump**
4 posted on 01/31/2002 5:59:19 PM PST by TwoStep
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To: jlogajan
In my opinion, Reed Irvine is a trustworthy source. If he says he talked to a submariner, I believe him. But whether this will go any further is another kettle of fish.
5 posted on 01/31/2002 6:00:21 PM PST by Cicero
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To: VectoRama
and that the FBI had checked all their torpedo tubes and all their missile silos to make sure they had all the missiles on board that they had when they left port.

Hmmm....how many aircraft have been shot down with torpedoes? For that matter, how many have been shot down with Tomahawks and Harpoons?

I'd like to hear what the submariners here think of the Navy fellow's terminology, and whether that's what they call being outside on the hull or on the sail.

6 posted on 01/31/2002 6:00:49 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: VectoRama
Paging _Jim. You can appologize to a large portion of the forum now.
7 posted on 01/31/2002 6:01:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: VectoRama
Thank God for Reed Irvine! Ya gotta love it!
8 posted on 01/31/2002 6:02:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: VectoRama
When Pierre Salinger, at a press conference in March 1997, declared that TWA Flight 800 had been shot down accidentally by a U.S. Navy missile, this former presidential press secretary, U.S. Senator and ABC News correspondent, was mercilessly attacked by his former colleagues.

Senator?????

9 posted on 01/31/2002 6:05:17 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: Michael Rivero; Plummz; aristeides
There is no doubt now.
10 posted on 01/31/2002 6:07:49 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Tennessee_Bob
I believe that the Navy now has an antiaircraft missile that can be launched from the torpedo tubes, so it is usable on existing subs. The subs need antiaircraft capabilities to take out an enemy ASW aircraft that might be hunting them.
11 posted on 01/31/2002 6:09:00 PM PST by Magician
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To: Cicero
. If he says he talked to a submariner, I believe him

Yes but the Submariner was Monica and she went down on Bill no up on a plane.

Ross Perot has yet to admitt that great sucking sound was Monica in the oval office.

12 posted on 01/31/2002 6:13:42 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: Magician
What do you have to support this? If such a system did exist how practical would it be since there is no way for a submerged submarine to target the aircraft and if it surfaced or stuck up a mast with radar it would just give away it's position.
13 posted on 01/31/2002 6:14:36 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: VectoRama
Submarines spend almost no time on the surface (they are actually faster completely submerged, for one thing) except when entering or exiting a shallow port.

There would be no reason for there to be THREE surfaced submarines in an "exercise" for example.

This all stinks on ice. WND give DEBKA a run for its money most days for pure unadulterated crap.

14 posted on 01/31/2002 6:19:26 PM PST by John H K
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To: VectoRama
Myself, I've always believed what Senator A; D'Amato said the night of the crash, and that was that it was brought down by a missile....Big Al never did know when to shut up.

But who's missile?... well at first I agreed with those who suspected a navy misfire...but post 9-11, and considering the WH occupant at the time, I'm open to the terrorist got lucky position.
15 posted on 01/31/2002 6:19:33 PM PST by wheezer
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To: VectoRama
Submarines don't carry surface-to-air missiles that I've ever heard of, nor do their targeting and fire-control systems even contemplate such a thing. They depend on submerging for their defense, not slugging it out on the surface. So, unless it was a surface ship that launched the missile, or the secret manuvers were to test some sort of new sub-based SAM (which would be a pretty big mod to a sub, and of questionable value IMO), this story doesn't make sense.

It's also pretty rare to step on the deck of a sub when it's out at sea. Unless you're doing something like launching/recovering a boat or the like. It would be useful to know what he was supposedly doing. Or did he mean he was up on the sail and the story just got the terminology wrong? Something else to contemplate.

16 posted on 01/31/2002 6:19:57 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: Magician
I believe that the Navy now has an antiaircraft missile that can be launched from the torpedo tubes, so it is usable on existing subs

I heard that years ago, they were talking about a mast mounted Stinger system for the Seawolf. I'd be interested in seeing any sources you have on this submarine mounted SAM system, especially range.

17 posted on 01/31/2002 6:20:55 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: VectoRama
reed irvine bump
18 posted on 01/31/2002 6:25:49 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: VectoRama
I am wondering about the logic of the source trying to remain a secret. I would imagine the Navy could pretty easily narrow it down with the information in this article. How many recently retired petty officers who served on submarines which were surfaced at the time of the crash and within a reasonable range to be a witness could there be?
19 posted on 01/31/2002 6:32:36 PM PST by sharktrager
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To: VectoRama
nothing to see here folks, move along, move along;
20 posted on 01/31/2002 6:33:22 PM PST by Red Jones
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