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Most here on both sides of this issue are at least thoughtful. I stated in the original what I like about Mr. Bush and what I don't. Many people who disagreed intellectually with me or people with similar viewpoints at least had objective arguments and showed discernment.

The way you defend every issue about every encroachment on our Free Republic, and agree with every single thing Bush has done leads me to believe your sentiments are born from pathology. In other words you lack any degree of discernment whatsoever.

If you're happy with a large intrusive government and those who promulgate such, just admit it so we can have an intellectually honest debate.

Your pummeling people with simple minded questioins like "what right have you lost" is juvenile. According to your thought process, an amendment would have to actually be deleted from the text of the constitution for you to consider that right to be lost.

When it comes to law, it almost always boils down to intent. If you're building a house and a brick falls on someones head, even though he's dead it's not murder.

What was the intent of the founding documents and the constitution? What was the intent of the first, second, forth and tenth amendments?

When a person works until Wednesday of any given week just so he can pay his bill to a huge bureaucracy, I'm sorry that is not a free society. Now matter how happy you yourself are to participate in this literal theivery.

The text of the second amendment might still exist in the Bill of Rights, but there are many people who are killed and mamed every day because they simply are not allowed to own or carry a gun. Even an animal has the right to defend itself and it's family, yet some humans don't.

Is it equal justice under the law when politicians and the rich can have armed protection in the same municipality where a single mom will have to be killed or have her life destroyed because somehow our system has deemed their lives more important than hers?

Are you going to tell me that government bureaucrats going through your email and robbing your house without your knowledge is in the spirit of the 4th amendment? Was it keeping with such when an executive loses a court battle then sends a paramilitary unit into someone's home arresting nobody and seizing no items to settle a family custody dispute?

The first amendment reads Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The intent of this amendment was that congress shall not establish religion. That has somehow been bastardized into meaning that no person or entity that receives a single penny of government money shall make any mention of God at all, anywhere any time. What in the hell does congress have to do with the kid that was sent home from school because he dared bring a bible in that day.

I could go on and on (and on and on and on), but I'll only waste my time only to have you respond with some silly, irrelevant one liner "question".

The second amendment does not have to be irradicated completely to see that forcing a person to spend huge amounts of money and wait months possibly years in order to exercise that right.

In other words, the intent of the constituion is

FREEDOM

"Your pummeling people with simple minded questioins like "what right have you lost" is juvenile. According to your thought process, an amendment would have to actually be deleted from the text of the constitution for you to consider that right to be lost."

No, I respectfully disagree.

I live in Alabama. I have personally seen people lose rights here. Due to their skin color, people have been denied the right to vote, for instance.

That is an example of losing a right. That is an example of having a "right" denied to you.

It is black and white. On and off. Boolean. Good versus evil. Either you have had a "right" denied to you or not. Either you have lost a right or not.

The reason that you have to jump through hoops to claim that losing a "right" isn't a simple yes or no question/issue is because you personally have never lost a right.

And that's my point. It isn't juvenile for me to hammer on people who are dancing around on this thread regarding that one simple question: have you personally lost a "right" because that question cuts to the chase.

Those who wish to attack our current President are claiming that he has trashed our Constitution and denied them their rights.

Yet they can never point to a specific right that they have lost. Instead, they jump around and say that if you add up all of this, that, and the other thing, then it all sums up to deny them some nebulous and unmentioned "right".

And that's the path of deception.

Either people have lost their specific rights, or they haven't.

But people who have as their agenda the issue of smashing Bush at every turn don't want to admit that they really haven't lost any rights.

So they dance around the question on this thread.

Have you lost a right?