George Bush's Big Government Adventure

Free Republic and Various ^ | 01-30-02 | aaabest

[AAABEST]

With Conservative Like This, Who Needs Liberals?

Let me start off by addressing those who have been bashing(and I do mean bash) me and other well intentioned and well known Freepers as being anti-Bush, Libertarians, from the reform party or whatever. 

I voted for GWB, and I can ping several freepers to this thread that met me in real life at several Bush rallies (with megaphone in hand). I was a member of the Broward County Young Republicans before moving to the West coast of Florida and I was active in Jeb Bush's campaign for Governor. 

I've been on this forum for almost 4 years and anyone that knows me is aware of my conservative views and knows that I'm not a member of the reform party, I'm not a Libertarian (large "l") or any of the other things I and others like me have been accused of.

If you have been engaging in inflammatory rhetoric, bashing long-time, well known Freepers or acting like children because not all of us are enthralled with "Georges Big Government Adventure",  please try to control yourselves, at least while posting on this thread. 

It's not my purpose (at least at this point) to get GWB un-elected, I like him, he has a beautiful wife, he's a good Commander in Chief and he seems like an honest politician. However,  if he keeps ignoring conservative principles and promoting a larger more intrusive government, I and others can no longer continue to support him....on principle. 

We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.

Above is the Free Republic mission statement.  After his first year, would anyone say that GWB has worked towards this end? I think many conservatives suffer from some kind of Stockholm Syndrome as a result of 8 years of President Clinton, because when I ask many of them what GWB has done for conservatism lately, all I get is that he's not Clinton. 

I know he's not a corrupt, law breaking scoundrel, but is that all that's required? Can our republic survive a cycle where Republicans get into office grow government greatly, interspersed with Democrats who grow government even more greatly with little or no reduction? There are actually people on FR that think all of this growth in government spending is some grandiose 8 year plan by Mr. Bush to fool Democrats so that he can cut government later. What an absurd notion.

If any of the initiatives below originated from the Clinton administration, people on FR would have had a cow. Those "Day in the Life of President Bush" threads garner hundreds of fawning responses, while a thread on how our government is growing out of control will die after 10.

I appeal to anyone reading this to consider the below information without bias. The links will open in a separate window for you convenience.  I will be adding to this information as necessary God bless America, God bless this forum and God bless you.

Click on the Picture of the President (thinking of new ways grow government) for the corresponding article.

	Huge education spending bill (i.e. Federal Local School Board Bribery Act) which liberal Democrats love that doesn't mention a word about choice or local control.
	Food stamps for immigrants.
	Largest spending bill in American History. The first to exceed 2 trillion dollars.
	The Airport Security Bill that completely takes control of over 28,000 screening jobs. Now it seems that they don't even have to be high school graduates either. The big difference, they can't be fired.
	100 million for welfare moms.
	Hugely Expanding Clinton's Amercorps boondoggle that all conservatives railed against.
	Kowtowing to law breaking illegal immigrants by proposing amnesty. Speaking of illegal immigrants who sneak across the border; "And we've got to respect that, seems like to me, and treat those people with respect," he added. "I remind people all across our country: Family values do not stop at the border."
.	38 Billion for a new Homeland Security bureaucracy that allots a 20% increase for border control. Guess what. It goes to our problematic Canadian border, with not a dollar spent on the Mexican border. Read it for yourself
	The  Orwellian "Patriot Act" that gives Federal authorities carte blanche to rifle through all of your digital communications and essentially,  rob your house without notice.
	71.5 billion over 10 years for government health care.
	Not releasing appropriate documents on Clinton and FBI corruption.

 

[Southack]

Please refer to post #642.

[Southack]

After reviewing #642, please try to finally respond to post number 655.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

"You earlier said you were cutting it off, that is what cut and run refers to. Not that you didn't post right back. You quit, you said you were quitting, that is why you cut and run. So don't try to change things, you are only kidding yourself."

Gee Tom.. I hate to tell you this.. but I had things to do. I couldn't just sit here all day educating and playing with you. Sorry!!!

And please don't keep saying "CUT AND PASTE" unless you can show one single thing that I cut and pasted. Otherwise, retract that nonsense and return to your old folks home and resume your hero worship of your new slave owner. You sound like you might have alzhiemers.

Ok.. where oh where do I begin?? First.. "keep saying". I said it ONCE. K??

"Return to my old folks home?" So, even though I'm only 51,.. your saying that if I was old enough to qualify for an "old folks home" my opinion would be less valuable? I happen to think the elderly have a wealth of knowledge if we listen to them. You might try it sometime. Plus I found it to be an extremely ignorant statement in and of itself.

"resume your hero worship of your new slave owner"

Could you please clarify "the point" your trying to make with that statement? What are you referring to? Are you being "racist"?

"You sound like you might have alzhiemers"

Yet another "profound" statement by you.

I really feel for people like you. I feel sad.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

Oh.. and just so you know. I'm going to bed now. I'm not running away from you ok?? I'll let you know when I'm back on FR tomorrow. That way you won't be left in here talking to yourself all alone thinking I "cut and ran".

[Landru]

Happy Birthday, kid.

[Leisler]

I pretty much agree with everything you said. There is a cultural divide in the party. Actually the consevatives could go back to Taff. Anyways, when it comes to filling the many positions the party still draws on overeducated elites, corporate types and then consevatives.

About New England. The Republicans here are out and out right leftist Democrates, as are their supporters. The Democrates are a organized criminal mob of the type that all political theorists warned would cause republican corruption.

GO NEW ENGLAND!!!!

[TEXICAN II]

Kind sir, after several days & countless words-would you be offended if someone pleads for brevity? My fav high school English teacher wrote large, in her red pen, across one of my efforts, "VERBOSE". I was crushed but think she had a point.

[TEXICAN II]

What is that ugly vernacular term-big gov doesn't suck, it blows!? Maybe, after a fashion, some of us posters do, also!

[Ragin1]

Oh MaryAnn, you are the one who claimed to be reading about GW's long term policy effects. I asked you for a clue. I suspect you get your clue's from a day in the life threads.

[First_Salute]

R'653, R'654, R'657

May interest you.

[Spiff]

But you aren't alone. None of your supporters have managed to nail the specifics, either.

We have nailed the specifics - repeatedly. However, as I stated over 48 hours ago you are far to dense to comprehend them. Your continued behavior in this thread has more than proven my initial assessment.

Because you are incapable of basic logic and reasoning, as well as simple reading comprehension, and that you keep spamming this thread with your incessant, idiotic asking of the same question that has been answered multiple times - I urge others to just ignore you as the disruptor you are.

And when the government comes and personally takes one of your rights or freedoms and not one of ours don't come on Free Republic and expect us to give a squat. We'll tell you to shove it because you're still free to breath, eat, and defecate.

May your chains rest lightly, fool.

[Ragin1]

I'll care. When your happy and you know it clank your chains. I didn't agree with Randy Weaver or the 7th day clan in Waco, but I certainly care about what happened to them.

[prambo]

Gosh - I was reading this faithfully until your name scrolled up from the bottom.

How ya doin' fascist boy?

The terrorists WON with the passage of the "Patriot Act". Watched "The Seige" last night; a fairly stupid movie in many respects, but does show the militarization of the good ole US of A.

If you think you'll be siginificantly farther behind the rest of us for a "gubmint" visit, think again. Read the Pastor Neimoeller quote, it fits here.

prambo

[Ben Ficklin]

I could take the time to do it but the results would not differ much from the earlier counts. I would trust you to be honest and objective if you wanted to recount what I did and finish what I didn't.

If you did, you'll see that it is difficult to discern everyone. Is a particular poster really a libertarian, or possibly a Constitutionalist, PaleoCon, Disenchanted Republican who doesn't comprehend losing gracefully, or maybe even a sophisticated disruptor. In my counts I included them all as libertarians even though some indicated that they were otherwise.

Then you run into the problem of going multiple days, in which case you need to some how devise a method of using the daily stats. Lots and lots of work. Management would frown on it because it would be decisive. But if that were done it would open the door to additional conclusions such as who is the most prolific libertarian poster, which libertarian poster cares most about drug issues, porn issues(I already know the leading libertarian porn man is Dr. Doom), and many others stats/conclusions.

No matter which type or level of sophistication one could use, the results will show two things:

1.That although it would be higher a %age than in the general population, the %age of libertarians at FR is pretty small.

2.Libertarians create a lot of smoke but not much fire.

[Ragin1]

Ask Mz Cantwell what she thinks of Libertarians. Do you work for stats are us, or the hard left wing Republican smear the libertarian team. Got an opinion on George Bush being a conservative? Think he's pushing to the left or right? Think these left moves will result in a right wing payday? Think he'll eventually pare down government expendature's or not?

[Uncle Bill]

BTTT

[AAABEST]

Uncle Bill 8)

I'd like to take this time to tell you that you're one of my favorite posters.

[Uncle Bill]

Thank you so much for your kind words. And, thank you also for this great post. I only wish it was a post about a president pushing a small government adventure. Then there would be some hope that we would be heading in the right direction. God bless.

[Scholastic]

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[Scholastic]

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