George Bush's Big Government Adventure

Free Republic and Various ^ | 01-30-02 | aaabest

[AAABEST]

With Conservative Like This, Who Needs Liberals?

Let me start off by addressing those who have been bashing(and I do mean bash) me and other well intentioned and well known Freepers as being anti-Bush, Libertarians, from the reform party or whatever. 

I voted for GWB, and I can ping several freepers to this thread that met me in real life at several Bush rallies (with megaphone in hand). I was a member of the Broward County Young Republicans before moving to the West coast of Florida and I was active in Jeb Bush's campaign for Governor. 

I've been on this forum for almost 4 years and anyone that knows me is aware of my conservative views and knows that I'm not a member of the reform party, I'm not a Libertarian (large "l") or any of the other things I and others like me have been accused of.

If you have been engaging in inflammatory rhetoric, bashing long-time, well known Freepers or acting like children because not all of us are enthralled with "Georges Big Government Adventure",  please try to control yourselves, at least while posting on this thread. 

It's not my purpose (at least at this point) to get GWB un-elected, I like him, he has a beautiful wife, he's a good Commander in Chief and he seems like an honest politician. However,  if he keeps ignoring conservative principles and promoting a larger more intrusive government, I and others can no longer continue to support him....on principle. 

We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.

Above is the Free Republic mission statement.  After his first year, would anyone say that GWB has worked towards this end? I think many conservatives suffer from some kind of Stockholm Syndrome as a result of 8 years of President Clinton, because when I ask many of them what GWB has done for conservatism lately, all I get is that he's not Clinton. 

I know he's not a corrupt, law breaking scoundrel, but is that all that's required? Can our republic survive a cycle where Republicans get into office grow government greatly, interspersed with Democrats who grow government even more greatly with little or no reduction? There are actually people on FR that think all of this growth in government spending is some grandiose 8 year plan by Mr. Bush to fool Democrats so that he can cut government later. What an absurd notion.

If any of the initiatives below originated from the Clinton administration, people on FR would have had a cow. Those "Day in the Life of President Bush" threads garner hundreds of fawning responses, while a thread on how our government is growing out of control will die after 10.

I appeal to anyone reading this to consider the below information without bias. The links will open in a separate window for you convenience.  I will be adding to this information as necessary God bless America, God bless this forum and God bless you.

Click on the Picture of the President (thinking of new ways grow government) for the corresponding article.

	Huge education spending bill (i.e. Federal Local School Board Bribery Act) which liberal Democrats love that doesn't mention a word about choice or local control.
	Food stamps for immigrants.
	Largest spending bill in American History. The first to exceed 2 trillion dollars.
	The Airport Security Bill that completely takes control of over 28,000 screening jobs. Now it seems that they don't even have to be high school graduates either. The big difference, they can't be fired.
	100 million for welfare moms.
	Hugely Expanding Clinton's Amercorps boondoggle that all conservatives railed against.
	Kowtowing to law breaking illegal immigrants by proposing amnesty. Speaking of illegal immigrants who sneak across the border; "And we've got to respect that, seems like to me, and treat those people with respect," he added. "I remind people all across our country: Family values do not stop at the border."
.	38 Billion for a new Homeland Security bureaucracy that allots a 20% increase for border control. Guess what. It goes to our problematic Canadian border, with not a dollar spent on the Mexican border. Read it for yourself
	The  Orwellian "Patriot Act" that gives Federal authorities carte blanche to rifle through all of your digital communications and essentially,  rob your house without notice.
	71.5 billion over 10 years for government health care.
	Not releasing appropriate documents on Clinton and FBI corruption.

 

[ATrueConservativeMan]

Bush cut a few regulations (not actual spending mind you) and that makes him a budget slayer. Bush proposed to cut military spending? I missed that one. Eronogmics? Your feeble list proves my point.

[Southack]

I've noticed that you still haven't managed to name a single right that you've lost.

I suspect that you never will name that lost right, either. You can't.

It must be tough to be humiliated by a "12 year old"...

[ridensm]

You want some rights we've lost you small minded idiot.

1) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercie thereof; - who is it that says where we can pray and where we can't

2) or abridging the freedom of speech - political correctness may not be codified in our laws but it certainly is supported and fostered by every single governmental agency, and if you don't play their game, watch out.

3) or of the press - if you seriously believe the government has no influence over the socialist bias in our media then your nickname should be ostrich.

4) or the right of the people peacably to assemble - the Constitution says NO LAW, you ever tried to get a permit in DC?

5) A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. - So the 20,000 some odd laws on the books infringing this right are just fluff? Don't start with the old straw man about how it is such a problem the government HAS to do SOMETHING in certain cases. The Constitution has never been changed and that is always the ruse used to establish more control and less freedom.

6) The rights of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but on probably cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. - Can you say IRS? Do you realize all someone has to do is accuse you of being a terrorist or a drug dealer these days and this one goes right out the window?

That leads into the right to know your accusers, speedy trial, deprivation of property, etc. etc. You obviously have no clue what the Constitution contains, let alone how it has been usurped and twisted. And the Bill of Rights is just the beginning of the rights belonging to the citizens of this country which mostly have been long ago forgotten and destroyed. I say again, you are a small minded, and historically challenged, idiot.

[DAnconia55]

What it boils down to for any true conservative, is how we roll back governmental largesse.

Shrug. It's the one weapon they can't stop....

[DAnconia55]

The experiment failed.

It was flawed from the beginning.
It failed over 100 years ago.

[Askel5]

Good post.

Serious?

(Schwew ... A reply from you always wigs me a bit. There are folks who can only dream of unnerving me so. =)

Thanks.

[DAnconia55]

Which will you vote for.

Don't vote. It only encourages them.

Did you see the coverage? Jockeying for position to kiss the hand of the King is deemed to be a high honor....

[alcuin]

One year.. and we are eating our own.

My understanding is that constitutional munchies are a FR default setting.

AAAAAAAAAAAABest's post provoked thought (EEK!).

I support Bush 100 per cent (I'd like to say "1000 per cent," but that would be too liberal).

FR!!!

[Southack]

"1) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercie thereof; - who is it that says where we can pray and where we can't"

I haven't been denied the right to practice my religion, nor have you.

[Southack]

"2) or abridging the freedom of speech - political correctness may not be codified in our laws but it certainly is supported and fostered by every single governmental agency, and if you don't play their game, watch out.
3) or of the press - if you seriously believe the government has no influence over the socialist bias in our media then your nickname should be ostrich."

How does ANY of that rant above demonstrate that you've lost a SPECIFIC right? What "right" have you lost?

Is this question really so difficult? Just show me where you've been denied a right.

[ridensm]

It's been much longer than 100 years since the Constitution began being treated as just so many words that the "enlightened" and "powerful", therefore "better", people had to pay lip service to while doing whatever they thought all of us sheep needed. Sheep is a term our government came up with, fly-over-country, joe-six-pack, the-needful-masses are others that show what they think of us. Most people in high government truly think they are better than the average citizen and mislead themselves in their selfishness into thinking what is best for themselves is best for us too. Who suffers when a law is passed so some number of congressmen get a boost to their campaign funds? Not them, be sure of it.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

"Bush proposed to cut military spending? I missed that one."

Um.. I missed that too. I never said that. I think increased military spending is WAY overdue!!! Our troops are not given the kind of training as often as they need it and want it, due to budgets. Our equipment needs replaced and repaired properly (It isn't just about the biggest, and fastest.. but the safest too!!). Also, it's about dang time our troops got pay raises. Not to mention the reneged promises to Veterans regarding their retirement benefits after 20 or 26 years or more. Your barking up the wrong tree on this one!! Because we need to revamp the defense budgets, get rid of the waste, and start spending it on what really counts. These yearly budgets, where the military commands must "use it or lose it" are ridiculous. The following years budgets are based on the previous year...and this creates a "spend or lose it mentality" which results in less gas for pilots to practice flying with,..and less equipment, or not as good as they could "have" equipment. There has to be a better way. But the one thing we must never do is cut corners, not ever again!! We can be responsible..with out being careless. Or treating our troops wrong!

"Eronogmics? Your feeble list proves my point."

Ok.. I've GOT to ask. What the heck is "eronogmics"? My feeble list?? What list?

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

My understanding is that constitutional munchies are a FR default setting

Hey.. thanks! :o)

It was good to smile at the end of the day here. Especially after being engaged in this thread and like minded threads. It seems to be "par for the course" here lately.

FRegards to you to. Niters

[Southack]

"4) or the right of the people peacably to assemble - the Constitution says NO LAW, you ever tried to get a permit in DC?

5) A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. - So the 20,000 some odd laws on the books infringing this right are just fluff? Don't start with the old straw man about how it is such a problem the government HAS to do SOMETHING in certain cases. The Constitution has never been changed and that is always the ruse used to establish more control and less freedom.

6) The rights of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but on probably cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. - Can you say IRS? Do you realize all someone has to do is accuse you of being a terrorist or a drug dealer these days and this one goes right out the window?"

Free Republic has never had a problem getting a DC permit, and I've never been denied the right to protest on any of my DC visits. Nor have you.

I own plenty of guns, and have never been denied the right to buy, sell, carry, or shoot them. I also notice that you cite no such denial of a right above, either.

Unreasonable searches? Again I ask you, What specific "right" have you personally been denied?

The way some of you dance around such a simple question makes this thread look more like a disco than a political forum. Sheesh! Just answer the phreaking question and name ONE right that you have personally been denied.

[ridensm]

Typical of an ostrich. Pick a weak point and therefore invalidate the entire argument. I've had my house invaded on nothing more than the word of a drug addict trying to bust a sentence. I was told I could not be informed of his identity. I had most of my belongings subsequently stolen due to the condition my doors were left in after the event. I got no recourse, there were no charges. I've tried to get a permit to "peacably assemble" in DC, A PERMIT, mind you. I've been told and my kids have been told the mention of Jesus is unacceptable in certain places. I've seen more than half my income stolen due to all the various taxes I have to pay. I could keep going on but it seems pointless. You mentioned in one of your posts that you were 12 years old, I certainly believe that but what I can't believe is how gullible you are while standing so firm for your misbegotten beliefs.

[toenail]

"Guess the people are not interested in revolution, restoration or resurrection. What's next? How do you reach a population that has been brainwashed by socialist propaganda? How do you reverse the damage done to three generations of citizens?

A 2x4 to the head smack! right-between-the-eyes confrontation with the facts. The way I see it is, the best hope for the republic rests in DivX. Seriously.

Unless people can kick back and let a monitor or screen beam an idea into their head, they'll never believe it (generally). A conservative (not a GOP bandwagon) group should start an online video broadcast with quality conservative (not GOP propaganda) titles. Here's one I'm awaiting: The Enigma of Public Schools. There are some good quality pro-life videos, like these at the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, and these at American Portrait Films. The NRA should have videos on the reason for the 2nd Amendment, a video on the racist basis of gun-grabbing encroachments, training, and safety videos. It seems that the conservative video sellers are only converting the already converted. Broadband access to high-quality conservative video is the only real hope I hold. And it's a very small hope.

[Southack]

"I've had my house invaded on nothing more than the word of a drug addict trying to bust a sentence."

Was there a warrant? Did a judge sign it? Just what RIGHT was denied to you?

Is this question really so tough? Is your anti-Republican, anti-Bush ideology so FRAIL that you must use the false hyperbole of lost "rights" to bolster it?

Have you been denied the right to vote? I know people who were denied that right based upon their skin color.

What you cite above isn't in that league, and neither is your failed argument.

Either cite the right that you've lost or admit that you still possess free will in contrast to your earlier claims.

[ridensm]

Free Republic has never had a problem getting a DC permit, and I've never been denied the right to protest on any of my DC visits. Nor have you. - No, you are just told exactly where and where you can not protest. I have been denied the right to protest where I felt it was most needed and would do the most good. I have been threatened in DC by the populace and almost got my butt kicked for my beliefs and desire to protest the government where and how I choose, peacefully.

I own plenty of guns, and have never been denied the right to buy, sell, carry, or shoot them. I also notice that you cite no such denial of a right above, either. Again, as long as you color inside the lines there is no problem. Ever tried to get a fully automatic weapon? We are both peaceful, law abiding citizens. To tell you the truth, I don't fear my government to the extent of wanting a fully automatic weapon yet but I do fear we are getting to that point. No dice citizen, the government knows all and will take care of you, if you want it or not.

[ridensm]

Where in the hell of any of the posts I have put on this thread did you get the idea I was anti-Bush. You people are truly pitiful.