George Bush's Big Government Adventure

Free Republic and Various ^ | 01-30-02 | aaabest

[AAABEST]

With Conservative Like This, Who Needs Liberals?

Let me start off by addressing those who have been bashing(and I do mean bash) me and other well intentioned and well known Freepers as being anti-Bush, Libertarians, from the reform party or whatever. 

I voted for GWB, and I can ping several freepers to this thread that met me in real life at several Bush rallies (with megaphone in hand). I was a member of the Broward County Young Republicans before moving to the West coast of Florida and I was active in Jeb Bush's campaign for Governor. 

I've been on this forum for almost 4 years and anyone that knows me is aware of my conservative views and knows that I'm not a member of the reform party, I'm not a Libertarian (large "l") or any of the other things I and others like me have been accused of.

If you have been engaging in inflammatory rhetoric, bashing long-time, well known Freepers or acting like children because not all of us are enthralled with "Georges Big Government Adventure",  please try to control yourselves, at least while posting on this thread. 

It's not my purpose (at least at this point) to get GWB un-elected, I like him, he has a beautiful wife, he's a good Commander in Chief and he seems like an honest politician. However,  if he keeps ignoring conservative principles and promoting a larger more intrusive government, I and others can no longer continue to support him....on principle. 

We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.

Above is the Free Republic mission statement.  After his first year, would anyone say that GWB has worked towards this end? I think many conservatives suffer from some kind of Stockholm Syndrome as a result of 8 years of President Clinton, because when I ask many of them what GWB has done for conservatism lately, all I get is that he's not Clinton. 

I know he's not a corrupt, law breaking scoundrel, but is that all that's required? Can our republic survive a cycle where Republicans get into office grow government greatly, interspersed with Democrats who grow government even more greatly with little or no reduction? There are actually people on FR that think all of this growth in government spending is some grandiose 8 year plan by Mr. Bush to fool Democrats so that he can cut government later. What an absurd notion.

If any of the initiatives below originated from the Clinton administration, people on FR would have had a cow. Those "Day in the Life of President Bush" threads garner hundreds of fawning responses, while a thread on how our government is growing out of control will die after 10.

I appeal to anyone reading this to consider the below information without bias. The links will open in a separate window for you convenience.  I will be adding to this information as necessary God bless America, God bless this forum and God bless you.

Click on the Picture of the President (thinking of new ways grow government) for the corresponding article.

	Huge education spending bill (i.e. Federal Local School Board Bribery Act) which liberal Democrats love that doesn't mention a word about choice or local control.
	Food stamps for immigrants.
	Largest spending bill in American History. The first to exceed 2 trillion dollars.
	The Airport Security Bill that completely takes control of over 28,000 screening jobs. Now it seems that they don't even have to be high school graduates either. The big difference, they can't be fired.
	100 million for welfare moms.
	Hugely Expanding Clinton's Amercorps boondoggle that all conservatives railed against.
	Kowtowing to law breaking illegal immigrants by proposing amnesty. Speaking of illegal immigrants who sneak across the border; "And we've got to respect that, seems like to me, and treat those people with respect," he added. "I remind people all across our country: Family values do not stop at the border."
.	38 Billion for a new Homeland Security bureaucracy that allots a 20% increase for border control. Guess what. It goes to our problematic Canadian border, with not a dollar spent on the Mexican border. Read it for yourself
	The  Orwellian "Patriot Act" that gives Federal authorities carte blanche to rifle through all of your digital communications and essentially,  rob your house without notice.
	71.5 billion over 10 years for government health care.
	Not releasing appropriate documents on Clinton and FBI corruption.

 

[ATrueConservativeMan]

Seven years from now, after the government budget has continued to expand at a rate greater than inflation are you still going to be using the "well...he ain't Al Gore!!!" dodge? Can you not name one federally funded program that Bush wants to cut? Great, Bush was against Kyoto. So are many Democrats. Especially Dems from auto producing states. But Bush is your guy. Not because of any great principle of course. It seems that for many this is no different than supporting the home town football team. I believe CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES are worth fighting for. Even Clinton treatened and then vetoed budgets that a Republican House and Senate sent him. Has Bush threatened a veto of any budget that does not rein in out of control liberal spending? It seems that this Bush is a bigger whimp than the last one.

[ATrueConservativeMan]

Texasforever-do you support the Dallas Cowboys with the blind allegiance as you do the home state boy?

[alcuin]

. . eco-feminists eradicating the masculine from the language and patriarchy from culture, the deconstruction of marriage by de facto unions . . Can I get a witness? . .

"Ah ah, listen, ev'rybody . . .

"'Specially you girls . . ."

Good post.

[Spiff]

In contrast, you've managed to avoid admitting the obvious: you haven't been denied a single right.

Here's a couple off the top of my head:

I have the inalienable right to keep and enjoy the fruits of my labor. The Constitution was forged to protect that right and others. The Constitution allowed government to spend money that it taxed from me only on certain, specified activities. Any other activities upon which they spend my tax money amounts to theft/confiscation of that money (the fruits of my labor) for activities that the government is not authorized to engage in. They have denied me of the right to that money they have confiscated.

And if I don't voluntarily give them that money - the fruits of my labor - they will then take away other rights such as property (they'll take away things I own), liberty (they'll put me in jail if I still try to keep my money), and life (they'll have to shoot me if I refuse to go to jail).

Also, as a citizen of the United States of America I have been guaranteed by the Constitution that the government will protect my country. I voluntarily pay the portion of my taxes appropriated for this so that they can perform the task. However, they are not protecting this nation's borders - in fact some of Bush's programs are practically inviting illegal aliens/foreign criminals into this nation. These invaders are subverting the economy, the culture, and the election process of this nation.

And you don't have to entirely take away a right or a freedom - making it non-existant - before the incursion should be noticed and resisted. The very infringement upon a right or freedom in an area in which our government was not constitutionally authorized should not be so easily tolerated. We owe it to the founding fathers and those who fought to remove tyranny from this land to jealously protect each and every freedom we have. If not, they died in vain.

[philman_36]

I had a quarter, to call someone who cared,
About our nation and how it faired.
Ten rings I waited, as good phone etiquette decrees,
"Maggie's Drawers" were just flapping in the breeze.
I placed the call, but it didn't do any good,
Steadily ringing, I put it down when I should.

I told my neighbors what I saw taking place,
They said the cops would be coming with mace.
I thought they could use my quarter for themselves,
I wasn't surprised to see it was dusty on the shelves.
I took back my quarter to try and call once again,
I was called a thief and told "stealing is a sin."

I've called many times and never an answer I get,
I've gotten so angry that I could just spit.
But I stopped trying to reach anyone some time ago,
I got tired of telling others to watch the magic show.
For the magician has always got something up his sleeve,
That he doesn't is what he needs you to believe.

philman_36

[Southack]

Nice spin. Worthy of Clinton, but no cigar.

Taxes do not DENY specific rights to or from you. Nor are taxes voluntary, but that's for another discussion thread.

In short, either you have been personally denied a right or you haven't. There is no gray area.

If you can't cite a specific right that you've been physically denied, then one can only presume that your rants about "losing rights" are bogus.

So put up or shut up. What RIGHT have you been denied?

[philman_36]

Let me guess...you have nothing up our sleeve...

[ATrueConservativeMan]

Southack, please name one government program Bush has proposed to cut. "Put up or shut up!" (I love taking on liberal Republican defenders like Southack!)

[Spiff]

In short, either you have been personally denied a right or you haven't. There is no gray area.

I'm sorry, you're obviously far to dense to debate this with. Your statements prove it. I've got other things to do then to play with mental midgets like you waving their Bush/GOP pom-poms in my face.

Sheesh! I'd have to give up all of my money in order for peabrain Republican Party shill here to admit I've given up one right.

[My2Cents]

Other than supporting some vagues sense of "constitutional government," your posts and viewpoints are of little value.

[Aristophanes]

Remember: the same electorate that elected Bill Clinton twice, elected George Bush.

The sheeple will never learn.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

Saw that.. gee a little plagarism? Plagarized a great source too!!! LOL

One year.. and we are eating our own. Amazing..huh?

Been very strange around here lately. I mean, there were always people who acted like "chicken little" whenever any thing happened they didn't understand. But this is reactionism in it's highest form. And not rational if you are hoping to keep a conservative in office. It only benefits the people who are worried the most about President Bush's Presidency, the Dems.

I'd sure like to know who or what they think is a viable alternative. Your absolutely right.. it "is" Bush bashing. I think it is hilarious that all these "Indian Chief" wanna be's have all the answers. "If only I could be King".. amazing.. just amazing!!!

FRegards!!

[Southack]

Bush cut the federal government's CO2 regulation program from the EPA.

Bush cut OSHA's home-office ergonomic regulation program, too.

Bush proposed to cut the military spending last year.

Bush proposed to privatize part of Social Security.

Bush cut federal funding for foreign "family planning", as well.

Bush also cut taxes. You'll also see liberals scream next week when they see that Bush's new budget cuts some of their pet programs.

[Aristophanes]

I'm sorry, you're obviously far to dense to debate this with. Your statements prove it.

What was that saying about "never argue with a fool or a liar"? I think Southack is living proof. It's like conversing with a 12 year old.

[Southack]

"Sheesh! I'd have to give up all of my money in order for peabrain Republican Party shill here to admit I've given up one right."

Only if you were honest.

Until you have completely lost something, you haven't given up a right or been denied a right.

Here in Alabama, there was once a time when Blacks were denied the right to vote. You trivialize such tragedies by claiming that being taxed means that you've lost rights each and every day.

Rubbish.

Name a right that you've lost or go flee this thread for less challenging areas.

[ridensm]

I'm one of the old-time freepers you mentioned and I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so....over and over again until I was bashed so hard I almost left here for good and only make it back once in a blue moon anymore. Americans are truly pathetic. If any significant number of us had ever read, let alone understood, the writings of our Founding Fathers then revolution would have long ago been unavoidable. As it is, the psychiatrists who polute our society with their dribble and drugs have, ironically enough, the perfect term for us....denial.

[Southack]

"Rights denied? Try FISA secret warrantless searches, keylogging programs, national ID cards on the way, Carnivore on your ISPs and and Magic Lantern...Try more EPA regulations aimed at your property. Try more gun regulations."

Nope. None of those items deny rights. First of all, Magic Lantern IS the keylogging program, so let's not try to double up our meager criticisms by changing their names, shall we (at least a modicrum of intellectual honesty would be nice to see). Second, the National ID card hasn't been passed, so it CLEARLY hasn't denied you any rights (good grief, we're back to that intellectual honesty point again - and so soon!).

Third, Carnivore is legal and doesn't deny you ANY rights. If you want privacy, you don't mail a postcard. Rather, you send a letter inside an envelope. In the computer world, when you want privacy you send an ENCRYPTED message, and CARNIVORE can't break strong encryption nor deny you from using it.

Warrantless searches? For whom? Non-citizens? Even then, searches still require approval. You're probably confusing warrantless with "lack of need to notify" that a search has taken place, but I'll leeave that for you to work out over time. Safe to say that YOU haven't been victimized by a warrantless search.

Gun regulations? The most recent gun regulation that has been signed into law PROHIBITS government from stopping pilots from arming themselves. When I was out at the range last week, I could still purchase ANY and EVERY gun that I desired, so no loss of rights there (especially at the FEDERAL level - sometimes Bush-bashers get so desperate they start tossing around state laws rather than federal - let's not go there).