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To: freefly
A well educated population is a benefit for the nation as a whole. Without sufficient education we can't even have an effective military.

Living in a society has certain costs which must be paid. Representatives make decisions to tax in order to pay for those expenses it is not theft.

Socialism is not the same as a welfare state or a capitalistic state regulated by government or a representative republic. We have a combination of the latter two it is not socialistic.

You are one of those who makes broad inaccurate generalizations then calls one who doesn't agree "socialist, nazi or communist or collectivist" rather than trying to understand where you fail in your ideas or communicative ability.

By your definition there could never be a society which is not "collectivistic." Of course, if you hate taxation that much you could always go to a place more to your liking couldn't you? Like Afganistan- no government there and no taxes no rules everyone armed to the teeth no public education no public services. I am sure you would love it.

408 posted on 01/31/2002 11:54:02 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"A well educated population is a benefit for the nation as a whole."

The literacy rate was higher in this country before the schools "went public"

"Living in a society has certain costs which must be paid."

Somehow we managed quite well before income tax came along.
Not to mention all the rest of the overwhelming taxes we have levied on us these days.

"Representatives make decisions to tax in order to pay for those expenses."

Doesn't make it right. Or Constitutional.

"...it is not theft."

If I don't hand my money over (or allow it to be taken), then someone points a gun at me and not only takes it, but puts me in jail.
If it's not theft, it's close enough -whether there are "laws" that allow it or not.

"Socialism is not the same as a welfare state or a capitalistic state regulated by government or a representative republic. We have a combination of the latter two it is not socialistic."

Wiggle all you want. Our tax rate is outrageous and most of the money never makes it back to the citizens as a whole.
It is actually socialism/collectivism without the payback.

"You are one of those who makes broad inaccurate generalizations then calls one who doesn't agree "socialist, nazi or communist or collectivist" rather than trying to understand where you fail in your ideas or communicative ability."

You are one of those who attempt to complicate an issue so that the truth is obscured and people don't see what is really going on. I attempt to simplify it so that people can see and understand what is really happening. The fed takes our money and spends it on social programs...usually after skimming off a huge percentage to waste on government bureaucracy. THAT is the truth of the situation. You can attempt to hide it all you want, but it doesn't change the reality. I suspect you understand fully what you support, you just are unwilling to admit it.

"By your definition there could never be a society which is not "collectivistic."

We did quite well before fdr (a hard-core socialist) got into power.

Of course, if you hate taxation that much you could always go to a place more to your liking couldn't you?

I'd rather people like you that like it so much go someplace where you can give all your money to the government and get all the "services" that you deserve -instead of trying to turn THIS country into one of the failed socialist/collectivist/communist/whatever countries that justify taking their citizen's money in the name of "the public good".
Sounds to me as though you would love it. (As long as there are others to foot the bill.)
410 posted on 01/31/2002 12:48:26 PM PST by freefly
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