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Facing The Truth About Homosexual Behavior
Traditional Values Coalition ^ | January 29, 2002 | Rev. Louis P. Sheldon

Posted on 01/29/2002 5:13:49 AM PST by simicyber

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To: FormerLib
The news story says the men were arrested in the apartment of one of the men. Despite how you say "it seems", the article says nothing about a "roommate." It says nothing about sex in the "living room." And I'll bet you can't find anything to support those allegations. I see nothing that indicates these men did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy -- yet they were arrested, nevertheless.
421 posted on 01/31/2002 4:27:07 PM PST by Fethiye
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To: OWK
"Wow!... that's tellin me."

Don't be so modest. You and your lib buddies know it all. No one can tell you anything. But the gay lifestyle is still destructive, they are still trying to turn the world into perverted people just like themselves, and they are doing whatever they can to get to the kids.

422 posted on 01/31/2002 6:09:07 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: HENRYADAMS
It violates my Will (and the Will of the majority)

Too bad you're a couple centuries late for your dream regime.

423 posted on 01/31/2002 6:25:54 PM PST by steve-b
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Private enterprise has never created viable means of education when that is all there is. It was precisely because of the failures of private enterprise that public schools were created.

***BBBZZZZZTTTTT*** I'm sorry; that answer is not correct. Don't forget to pick up your consolation prizes.

The correct answer is: An indication of the typical level of pre-government education can be found by reading The Federalist Papers, and recalling that they were published in newspapers to be read by the general public.

424 posted on 01/31/2002 6:28:45 PM PST by steve-b
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To: OWK
It occurs to me that justshutupandtakeit's definition of "spiritually inclined" does explain some things. For instance, the "spiritual" license to steal other people's money was excersized quite energetically by Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, et al....
425 posted on 01/31/2002 6:34:57 PM PST by steve-b
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You apparently believe that a literate population is a BAD thing.

If I believed that a literate population was a bad thing, I would defend the public school system so energetically that it would make Ted Kennedy look like Attila the Hun.

426 posted on 01/31/2002 6:36:58 PM PST by steve-b
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To: editor-surveyor
If sin were uniformly criminalized, wouldn't we all be in deeep doo-doo?

"If we're both in the brig, who's going to build the subsonic transmitter?"

427 posted on 01/31/2002 6:39:03 PM PST by steve-b
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To: Illbay
LOL! If you had accused any of the Founders of the American Republic of advocating "democracy" to his face, you might have gotten a glove in yours.
428 posted on 01/31/2002 6:44:42 PM PST by steve-b
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To: Arthur McGowan
Telemarketers have to recruit.

Since you mentioned telemarketers -- why can't we harness the energy wasted on this ridiculous topic to some useful purpose, like exiling all telemarketers to some isolated island?

429 posted on 01/31/2002 6:49:08 PM PST by steve-b
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To: pxaus1
Your post 69 tells it just like it is...the truth of this practise must be addressed honestly and not glossed over as the homosexual groups would like all of us to do....Aids is predominetly acquired by this practise, and let them not try to tell you it is 'dirty needles'...that is 'promo.'talk....
430 posted on 01/31/2002 8:05:28 PM PST by ejo
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I meant no offense to anyone in your family be they living or dead...and just because I may paint with a bit of a broad brush doesn't mean I am actually thinking ill of anyone.
431 posted on 01/31/2002 9:54:29 PM PST by JakeWyld
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Thus, spiritually inclined people understand that the establishment of school systems to train the citizens of the future is very important and cannot be entirely done by private endeavors.

I consider myself "spiritually inclined" (I'm an Observant Jew) and I do not understand how the establishment of school systems cannot be entirely done by private endeavors. How does confiscating wealth from unwilling donors jive with The Eight Commandment, "Thou shalt not steal"?

Perhaps a personal story will help explain my position. My father lost his job when I was very young and our family struggled financially as a result. However, my parents valued a religious education that could not be provided by the public school system. Unfortunately, they did not have the financial ability to send my sister and I to private religious school. Yet because of the altruism of strangers, my sister and I never stepped foot in public school. You can read about the program we participated in here.
432 posted on 01/31/2002 10:45:33 PM PST by Spallenzani
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To: Fethiye
The news story says the men were arrested in the apartment of one of the men.

No, this one doesn't but it isn't the first article that I've read about the case.

Despite how you say "it seems", the article says nothing about a "roommate."

I did more research on this. I found this article on-line. You're right that it doesn't mention "roommate" but I'm sure that I had read that elsewhere. No matter since I was making the point that the sodomy wasn't private and obviously someone else was present. Plus they left the stupid door open! Yeah, very reasonable expectation of privacy there, eh?

And I'll bet you can't find anything to support those allegations.

Pity I didn't confirm the amount you were putting up before forking over the proof!

The odd thing is that I've looked over a couple of articles on this case this morning and some say the guy who called in the false report served either 15 or 30 days for filing the false report. Well, which is it? 15 or 30? Why can't the media get even such basic details right?

433 posted on 02/01/2002 5:41:24 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Spallenzani
How does confiscating wealth from unwilling donors jive with The Eight Commandment, "Thou shalt not steal"?

I take it you're familiar with the articles that Walter Williams has written on the topic?

434 posted on 02/01/2002 6:42:37 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
I enjoy reading William's articles, but I don't recall reading any on this topic. Do you have a link?
435 posted on 02/01/2002 6:57:57 AM PST by Spallenzani
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To: Joe Driscoll
My statement was not illogical. The claim is made that "homosexuals can't reproduce, so they have to recruit."

The implication is that if homosexuals COULD reproduce, they would bear homosexual babies, who would grow up into homosexuals, who would then have sex with their parents--making "recruiting" unnecessary.

The logical implication of this scenario is that heterosexuals, who CAN reproduce, bear heterosexual babies in order to raise them into adult heterosexuals, and then have sex with them.

The whole cliché ("Homosexuals can't reporduce, so they must recruit") is just stupid. Homosexuals are members of the general human population, like the Army, telemarketers, etc. They come from human parents. They aren't some separate species that "can't reproduce."

436 posted on 02/01/2002 7:30:59 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: FormerLib
I did more research on this. I found this article on-line. You're right that it doesn't mention "roommate" but I'm sure that I had read that elsewhere. No matter since I was making the point that the sodomy wasn't private and obviously someone else was present. Plus they left the stupid door open! Yeah, very reasonable expectation of privacy there, eh?

Pity I didn't confirm the amount you were putting up before forking over the proof!

What proof are you talking about? The story you linked mentioned no "roomate" before whom sex had occurred, no "living room" in which sex was witnessed by a roommate or any other third person, no "open door" through which the police entered. It continues to appear that these men were arrested for activities in which they engaged within the apartment, that involved no other person.

I truly fail to see that they were not entitled to expect privacy, or that their actions were such as to justify their arrest. What threat were they to anyone? (Unless you think we all have the right to observe and pass judgment on each other's private sex activities -- and even punish them if we don't approve?)

437 posted on 02/01/2002 9:25:14 AM PST by Fethiye
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To: freefly
Either your "responses" didn't respond or they were so poorly written that they are not understandable. You could try again to accually communicate or just keep muttering in the cave and picking the leaves outta your beard.

However, I would just say don't bother since you clearly don't have any idea of what you speak other than your fantasies. Study some history, political philosophy and economics and then we might talk. At present my dealing with gibberish quotient is filled.

438 posted on 02/01/2002 11:39:51 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: tpaine
Obviously you aren't reading the responses.
439 posted on 02/01/2002 11:41:39 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: steve-b
Well that was one of the most ignorant comments I have seen here in a while even on a thread with a bunch of libertarians.

The Federalist Papers were not written for the typical American of that time but for the THINKING citizens who supported the idea of building a nation and party leaders. More typical of the writings for the ordinary citizen of that era would be the Jeffersonian Jacobin lies spewing from Freanue and Callander directed at those attempting to build a great nation. Hamilton and Washington built this nation in spite of a spate of lies from the proto-Democratic party. Outside the Eastern states and Virginia the number of literate citizens was very low and they could not comprehend two sentences in the Federalist. They didn't matter since they could not vote anyway.

Voting was highly restricted and literacy was probably a requirement in order to vote so that, very small, segment of the population was educated but the huge majority who could not vote (in Virginia this was at least 95% of the population) was rarely educated and just barely literate.

Try learning some actual history instead of mythology our history is very complex and fascinating.

440 posted on 02/01/2002 11:54:22 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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