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New Zealander builds Hobbit hole
Ananova / The Evening Post ^ | 1/26/02

Posted on 01/27/2002 6:18:35 PM PST by John Farson

New Zealander builds Hobbit hole

A New Zealand man has built a Hobbit house.

Carl Gifford, a stonemason from Wellington, says he used a 10-tonne digger to make the hole.

He's put rocks either side of the front door and plans to install a chimney and lantern on top.

He told the Evening Post he was embarrassed as he was constructing the home.

He said: "I must admit I was hiding as the cars were driving past. I thought, 'These people think I'm an idiot'."

The house is part of a series of stonework mounds, designs and sculptures dotted around his land.

"I'm just having a bit of fun. Things that were built by those ancient people like caves have always fascinated me."



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carlgifford; hobbithole; newzealand; tolkien
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To: BibChr
I think Kate Blanchett's voice was perfect for Galadriel..."deeper than woman's wont". I didn't care for the scene that much, but her voice was just as I imagined.

My least favorite part of the film was Arwen sticking that sword on Aragorn's throat. Frodo's passing into the shadow world, five wraiths are chasing them and she's goofing off.

Maybe I'm just slow on the uptake, but did anyone else notice:

One wraith at Farmer Maggot's.
Two wraiths cut down the sherriff.
Three wraiths at Bucklebury Ferry.
Four at The Prancing Pony.
Five at Weathertop.
All nine chasing Arwen.

I'm probably just slow, but I just noticed it. They're closing in on Frodo...just scare me to death!

1,621 posted on 02/19/2002 1:38:55 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB
Where does that picture come from?

I don't recall a scene like that anywhere and I have seen the movie and read all the books.

1,622 posted on 02/19/2002 1:39:01 PM PST by DonnerT
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To: Penny1
Very good catch, I hadn't noticed. Galadriel isn't much comfort, either, is she? "Suck it up, kid; you're a Ringbearer. You crash and burn, we all crash and burn."

Dan

1,623 posted on 02/19/2002 1:43:00 PM PST by BibChr
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To: DonnerT
It's not in the film - a similar shot was used during the Mirror of Galadriel scene. It's part of Frodo's vision, but it's a different shot there. I don't have the exact reference here. Go to www.theonering.net - there's a link on the first page. Mentions something about 'a shot of what would happen should Frodo fail' or something like that.
1,624 posted on 02/19/2002 1:44:13 PM PST by JenB
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To: 2Jedismom
I like her voice, too. One of my favorite non-visual parts is her opening narrative, where she has just told of the making and imparting of all the lesser rings, and then she says, "But they were — all of them — deceived." Her inflection provides such a perfect pivot.

My least favorite part of the film was Arwen sticking that sword on Aragorn's throat. Frodo's passing into the shadow world, five wraiths are chasing them and she's goofing off.

Well, I don't think you'll ever make me not like that, but you did crack me up. You have a point. But as good, loving women do, she's ever trying to lighten Aragorn up a bit, to cheer him, isn't she? And he could use some lightening. You know that he only really smiles once in the entire movie?

One wraith at Farmer Maggot's.
Two wraiths cut down the sherriff.
Three wraiths at Bucklebury Ferry.
Four at The Prancing Pony.
Five at Weathertop.

I, for one, hadn't noticed. Good catch! (So that is Maggot, eh? My wife had so surmised. Another character unfortunately but necessarily lessened in the telling, along with good old Butterbur.)

Dan

1,625 posted on 02/19/2002 1:50:59 PM PST by BibChr
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To: Penny1
OWWW! Penny, you'd better do some harassing of these fans. That website is ridiculous - some people need to realize that life is about more than just a movie, that obsessing about fiction for day after day is not healthy, and that it's probably not a good thing when you know the names of every minor, two-line character in the series...

Um. Except when we're talking about Lord of the Rings. That's a good obsession. No need for psychological help here.

1,626 posted on 02/19/2002 2:03:28 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Thanks Jen,

Obviously I've got to see it again. Will it be available on tape?

1,627 posted on 02/19/2002 2:14:12 PM PST by DonnerT
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To: DonnerT
I don't know if this is one of the deleted scenes that might wind up on the video or not... but there will be some cool stuff added! Makes me glad I've got DVD.
1,628 posted on 02/19/2002 2:22:34 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
We can't watch it in a theater again. My wife gets motion sickness and I walk out with a gloucoma attack. Takes several hours for both of us to get back to normal.
1,629 posted on 02/19/2002 2:32:51 PM PST by DonnerT
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To: Penny1
The parallel between those two scenes is just to strong to have been a coincidence...

Fascinating! Of course, now that it has been more than 24 hours, I am going through withdrawals again.

1,630 posted on 02/19/2002 3:53:17 PM PST by ecurbh
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To: JenB
I guess Penny1 and HOTD are out having a great time at the show! I can't wait for a report back from them. Do you know what time they went? My husband is in school tonight till late, so I can hang out here for a while after the boys go to bed (in about an hour...it's 7pm here...)
1,631 posted on 02/19/2002 4:12:39 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Not sure: I'm about to get out of class. After a nice hot shower there's nothing I'd like more than to talk Tolkien - hope I see you around then.
1,632 posted on 02/19/2002 4:17:05 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Well, I'm going to bathe the boys and then read to them for a while...I'll be back in a while. I'm right in the middle of reading the ROTK and Pippin has just now stumbled upon Gandalf and the Lord of the Nazgul. It's getting really intense!
1,633 posted on 02/19/2002 4:28:37 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: BibChr
"Suck it up, kid; you're a Ringbearer. You crash and burn, we all crash and burn."

No stress there.

1,634 posted on 02/19/2002 4:42:21 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I know I'd feel all warmed and comforted.

Dan

1,635 posted on 02/19/2002 4:45:43 PM PST by BibChr
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To: 2Jedismom; BibChr
Ok guys, now here's a problem that's been bothering me for some time. (It will probably give you great insights into my character to hear the sort of thing that keeps me awake at night!)

The Last Alliance - who the heck was fighting? Elendil, Isildur, Anarion, Gil-galad, Elrond, Cirdan - sure, no problem, they're the big head-honcho commanders. But I can't figure out how there were more than a couple hundred people to command! Ok, maybe there were still lots of Elves left in Middle-Earth, even though their realms in Beleriand had been destroyed about 3000 years before and most of them had been allowed to go home if they wished. I'll say that the army had a lot of Avari foot-soldiers, the poor stupid Elves who didn't bother to go to Aman and so aren't important.

But what about the Numenoreans? According to the Tale of Years, Numenor was destroyed 11 years before the Last Alliance. That's a little bit of time for both Elendil and his kids, and Sauron to rest and regain strength. Elendil founds Arnor, Isildur and Anarion are down in Gondor. But it's not enough time to breed an army of Men.

We are told that nine ships escaped the downfall of Numenor; four for Elendil, three for Isildur, and two for Anarion. There are also some mentions of a few Numenoreans who had already moved to Middle-Earth, fleeing anti-elf-friend sentiment in the Ar-Pharazon regime. But there weren't that many - there couldn't have been. Otherwise they'd have had trouble with Elendil coming in and taking things over.

I guess there are a few options. One is that the Men were mostly 'Lesser Men', non-Numenoreans that joined the army for some reason. That would make the Numenoreans most likely officers. I could buy that. My other theory is that the word Professor Tolkien translated as 'ship', regarding Elendil's craft, more properly translates "Great big bloody ark-transport thing" and Elendil took approximately half the population of Numenor with him.

Or maybe they had a population boom and Numenorean kids grow up really really fast? Thoughts?

1,636 posted on 02/19/2002 4:58:13 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
In RotK, chapter 9, Prince Imrahil laughs that their 7,000 is "scarce as large as the vanguard of its[Gondor's] army in the days of power" so Gondors army would be at least 3 or 4 times that.
1,637 posted on 02/19/2002 5:27:20 PM PST by cantbebought
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To: JenB
I would guess it would be the Middle People. Remember Faramir talking to Frodo about it Henneth Annun?
1,638 posted on 02/19/2002 5:32:07 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
It always seemed to me that Faramir was mostly talking about the various wars the people of Gondor had waged since after the Last Alliance. I guess it never struck me until I saw the movie how large the Last Alliance had to have been. All the Men there looked like Numenoreans (from the armor, at least) but that doesn't necessarily represent what really happened. I think I'm going to go with the "some Numenoreans already there, the rest lesser Men" theory.
1,639 posted on 02/19/2002 5:39:40 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
What about the traitors, the "Dead" on the paths of the dead. The King of the Mountain? They weren't Numenorean, but had sworn allegiance to Isildur...

I may not have any idea what I'm talking about...so bear that in mind! LOL

1,640 posted on 02/19/2002 5:48:59 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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