Flight 587: Video May Hold the Key

Time ^

[Asmodeus]

Sunday, Jan. 27, 2002
Frustrated investigators looking into the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 have an important new piece of evidence. Government sources tell Time that analysts at the National Transportation Safety Board last week got their first look at a remarkable videotape of the deadly accident. Recorded by a surveillance camera at a New York City area tollbooth, the tape captures nearly the entire catastrophe that sent the Airbus A300 crashing into a residential neighborhood in Queens less than 3 min. after takeoff from John F. Kennedy International Airport on Nov. 12. According to an NTSB source, the plane can be seen "flying along normally and intact, and suddenly things start to go very wrong." The video records the plane as it begins its descent. The crash is obscured, but the tape continues to run and smoke can be seen rising from the scene. Experts at the NTSB are optimistic that the tape will help answer critical questions about the precise sequence of events as the plane began to break apart, and exactly how and when the tail section separated from the body of the plane. This is the second video record the board has obtained of the crash, but the first one was virtually useless because the plane could be seen only as a tiny speck.

[Egg]

"A giant stork can be seen impacting the cockpit windshield."<\sarcasm>

Go back to flying. We have everything under control. Economy good, terrorists taken care of...

[TexasNative2000]

But, of course, if it doesn't show anything suspiciously terroristic, it was a doctored tape, right?

It's all part of the conspiracy - they ARE out there. . . . .<\sarcasm>

[petuniasevan]

Maybe the authorities will admit (finally) that turbulence from a previous takeoff wouldn't do the kind of damage seen taking place as the Airbus crashed.

I'm still suspicious of this incident. Shoe bomber #2, maybe?

[antivenom]

HMMMM "flying along normally'........

WELLL I thought it was the VICTIM of the tail wake from that mean old airplane that took off right prior to it??? WELL they have some 'splaining to do...IF it was "flying along normally' I guess there WASN'T any tail wake.

GEEE they might have to EXPLAIN that a tennis shoe (or maybe bruno magli shoe) bomber was on board.....

[copycat]

For those who wish to research the history of this crash...

Jet "exploded into pieces"
Feds Downplay Flt. 587 Explosion Reports

Breakup of Airliner is captured on security film.
Flight 587 Video Shows "Puff of Smoke" in Sky
FBI Sitting on Flt. 587 Videotape

Accident Theories Falling Like Dominoes (a collection of trial balloons)
Air Turbulence May Be Factor in Jetline Crash, Officials Say
Sabotage Explains Fight 587 Crash, Expert Says

JetBlue Pilot Saw American Airlines Crash
Flt. 587 Eyewitnesses insist Expolsion Came Before Tail Broke Off

Flight 587 Witnesses Blast Feds
Was Richard Reid Shoe Bomber #2?

[katykelly]

They have had this tape for several months, right? And they are just now getting their first look at it? Sheesh

[Bowana]

This has been posted 3 times already. Twice on the "Front Page" Sidebar and now on Breaking News.

I have had posts to the sidebars removed that I considered some what worthy, and now this is posted all over?

Moderators and sidebar moderators?

Flight 587: Video May Hold the Key

News/Current Events Front Page News
Source: Time via Drudge
Published: Sunday, Jan. 27, 2002 Author: SALLY B. DONNELLY
20 comments.

11487506 posted on 1/27/02 7:30 AM pacific by flamefront

Flight 587: Video May Hold the Key

News/Current Events News Keywords: 587, NTSB
Source: Time.com
Published: January 27, 2002 Author: Sally B. Donnelly
4 comments.

11487491 posted on 1/27/02 7:28 AM pacific by Red Jones

Flight 587: Video May Hold the Key

Government Front Page News Keywords: FLIGHT 587
Source: Time On-Line via Drudge
Published: Sunday, Jan. 27, 2002 Author: SALLY B. DONNELLY
4 comments.

11487452 posted on 1/27/02 7:24 AM pacific by SubMareener

[Rebelbase]

""A giant stork can be seen impacting the cockpit windshield."<\sarcasm>"

Soon to be edited into the existing videotape.

[Dane]

I'm still suspicious of this incident. Shoe bomber #2, maybe?

Like I have stated many times before about shoebomber #2 theory, any good reporter(who speaks sapnish since most of the victims were Dominican) can go over the flight manifest and interview the victims families and look into the backgrounds of each passenger to see if anything was amiss.

I bet you the media and the govt. have gone over the manifest with a fine tooth comb and have found nothing.

[jlogajan]

I bet you the media and the govt. have gone over the manifest with a fine tooth comb and have found nothing.

Ah, but to the tinfoiler mind, anyone who speaks spanish is a closet terrorist anyhow.

[Egg]

puh-leez. They had 10 different explanations within 3 days of the crash (including the bird impact), but the only one that wasn't open for discussion was the most probable in light of 9/11--terrorism. Maybe it wasn't terrorism, but as long as Mamma government treats its subjects as too tender to be confronted with the way things really are (don't want truth to interrupt the economy you know), and as long as the NTSB carries the air of arrogance that it does, I'll take all information they release to the masses with a large grain of salt. If that makes me a 'conspiracy theorist', then so be it.

[Osinski]

Hmmmm. Pilots call for a downing of Airbus 300 and a new video surfaces. What good timing.

[copycat]

Pilots call for a downing of Airbus 300 and a new video surfaces. What good timing.

I get the feeling the airlines themselves have a lot more at stake than Fedgov does. It's important to them that all A300s are not grounded.

There is an interesting clash forming between the airline industry's need for this NOT to be the plane's fault, and Fedgov's need for this TO be the plane's fault.

[thirst4truth]

My pilot brother said that this plane was flipped over and landed on its tail in a giant windstorm in France a while back. When the tail fell off, due to stress from the flip over, the plane giro's and can rip the wings off, but its been engineered to rip the engines off instead. You can land a plane with one engine, no stabilizer tail but not one wing. He says the engine falling off does cause an explosion also!

Thats what a pilot says and has been flying these big boys for almost 20 years. He also said he has turned his plane around, he flys for Fed Ex, for safety reasons 3 times last year!! He never talks to mechanics in the cockpit, he turns the plane around, lands and goes straight to the mechanics and talks to them on the ground.

[janeliberty]

I don't believe the official line about the crash either. Maybe their are several reasons for the cover up (even if I don't agree).

1. they cannot give the terrorists credit for wreaking havoc, too many successes will embolden them further.

2. they cannot let the public know how ill-equipped our security is to handle terrorists activities.

3. they don't want our security officials to look like morons.

4. they don't want to deal with a traumatized public.

5. and most importantly, the airlines would be decimated.

Just a few thoughts why our government denies terrorist activities.

[archy]

""A giant stork can be seen impacting the cockpit windshield."<\sarcasm>"

Soon to be edited into the existing videotape.

Hey boss? That footage you wanted me to insert the stork impact into? I couldn't find a good stork-in-flight stock clip.

Will this do?....

[archy]

Jlogajan? What kind of furriner name is that anyway? Sounds like one of them Serbo-Croatainians to me....

-archy-/-

[jlogajan]

Close. J for John, logajan for Logajan -- Rumanian.

[jlogajan]

If that makes me a 'conspiracy theorist'

You sound self-made to me.

There is an old saying, "A conspiracy explains everything."

That is, no matter what, you can conjure up a conspiracy theory to explain it. This is very tempting to the untrained and lazy mind.

Real thinkers want FACTS. Sure, facts aren't always available, but at that point the true thinker says, gee, I just don't know enough to draw a conclusion. Lazy minds take the same situation and say, see -- ya can't prove me wrong, my nutty theory must be right until proven otherwise.