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To: Ol' Sparky; Physicist; RadioAstronomer; ThinkPlease; VadeRetro
The first and second laws of thermodynamics prove the universe was created and evolution did not occur. The universe could not have created itself. Spontaneous generation has never been observed. [snip]

Evolution is based on the absurd idea the universe is going from disorder to order. But the second law of thermodynamics proves otherwise: The Second Law proves, as certainly as science can prove anything whatever, that the universe had a beginning. Similarly, the First Law shows that the universe could not have begun itself. The total quantity of energy in the universe is a constant, but the quantity of available energy is decreasing. Therefore, as we go backward in time, the available energy would have been progressively greater until, finally, we would reach the beginning point, where available energy equaled total energy. Time could go back no further than this. At this point both energy and time must have come into existence. Since energy could not create itself, the most scientific and logical conclusion to which we could possibly come is that: "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth."

Have you considered the possibility that the total energy in the Universe is zero (or very close to zero)?

There is nothing in the 2LoT that prohibits natural processes from generating localized decreases in entropy of part of a system as long as the total entropy of the system and its surroundings experiences a net increase.

73 posted on 01/26/2002 8:10:04 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
If the total energy available in the universe were zero, everything in it would be dead. If available energy in the universe were zero, everything in it would be dead. The second law of thermodyanmics clearly states that there is available energy and is decreasing. Available energy is necessary for life.

If Evolution is true, there must be an extremely powerful force or mechanism at work in the cosmos that can steadily defeat the powerful, ultimate tendency toward "disarrangedness" brought by the 2nd Law. If such an important force or mechanism is in existence, it would seem it should be quite obvious to all scientists. Yet, the fact is, no such force of nature has been found.

75 posted on 01/26/2002 8:23:43 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: longshadow; crevo_list
I'm late posting this, but I didn't realize how totally insane things would become in this thread.

So that everyone will have access to the accumulated "Creationism vs. Evolution" threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review: The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 14].

01: Site that debunks virtually all of creationism's fallacies. Excellent resource.
02: Creation "Science" Debunked.
03: Creationism and Pseudo Science. Familiar cartoon then lots of links.
04: The SKEPTIC annotated bibliography. Amazingly great meta-site!
05: The Evidence for Human Evolution. For the "no evidence" crowd.
06: Massive mega-site with thousands of links on evolution, creationism, young earth, etc..
07: Another amazing site full of links debunking creationism.
08: Creationism and Pseudo Science. Great cartoon!
09: Glenn R. Morton's site about creationism's fallacies. Another jennyp contribution.
10: CREATION-EVOLUTION ENCYCLOPEDIA (Creation oriented)
11: Is Evolution Science?. Successful PREDICTIONS of evolution (Moonman62).
12: Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution. On point and well-written.
13: Frequently Asked But Never Answered Questions. A creationist nightmare!

81 posted on 01/27/2002 3:29:05 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: longshadow; Ol'Sparky; Junior
No one seems to have taken up Sparky's whale gambit. For the lurkers who may be wondering if he has any point, I wearily dredge up what most have seen repeatedly.

A crude picture here:

Lesson: Whale Evolution. Alas, more of a lesson plan than an article.

A good whale history page:

Introduction to the Cetacea.

96 posted on 01/27/2002 7:06:26 AM PST by VadeRetro
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