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Iran v. Great Satan (their title)
National Post ^ | 26 january 2002

Posted on 01/26/2002 9:17:09 AM PST by knighthawk

Since the 1979 Iranian revolution, Tehran's foreign policy has been based on the axiom that the United States is the Great Satan. But when U.S. forces took the war against terrorism to Afghanistan, it was hoped that Iran's hatred would yield to a more universal axiom: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Iran's clerics, who are Shiite Muslims, despised the Taliban, who were Sunnis. The two nations almost went to war in 1998 when Taliban soldiers killed 10 Iranian diplomats.

Hope of rapprochement was stoked by small but significant Iranian efforts to help the U.S. military. Tehran agreed to return U.S. pilots in distress who landed in Iranian territory, and permitted Western humanitarian groups to use it as a conduit for Afghan-bound aid. In turn, Washington pressured former hostages to drop suits against Iran's government.

But the thaw appears to be over. Iran is extending its influence into western Afghanistan to create a counterweight to the U.S.-backed administration in Kabul. Arms discovered recently on a Palestinian-controlled smuggling boat, which included explosives suitable for suicide bombs, came from Iran. Hezbollah, an Iranian-backed terrorist group active in Lebanon, attacked northern Israel with rockets on Wednesday. And on Dec. 14, Hashemi Rafsanjani, Iran's Expediency Council chairman and a former president, delivered a major speech expressing hope the Islamic world would acquire a nuclear weapon to destroy Israel.

So U.S. relations are probably back near square one, and are unlikely to improve so long as Tehran retains its implacable desire to see Israel destroyed. However, the United States and Iran have been friends before and could one day be so again. Under the Shah, Iran was a key U.S. strategic ally, and renewing the friendship would make the two nations' mutual enemy, Saddam Hussein, gratifyingly nervous. From Iran's point of view, ties with the United States would bring an improvement to the nation's economy, a boost to its status as a regional power and an end to sanctions.

Even so, normalization of U.S.-Iran relations is unlikely to occur for at least a few years. Iran's leadership is still dominated by dogmatic veterans of the 1979 revolution. While there have been some vaguely pro-Western demonstrations, as well as a reformist shift among elected lawmakers in recent years, the leaders who rule from such powerful unelected bodies as the Guardian Council are still firmly in control of the nation. Until Iran's foreign policy changes, there can be little progress. Iran's sponsorship of Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas, its rejection of any peace with "the Zionist Entity," and its pursuit of nuclear weaponry, make it persona non grata in the post-Sept. 11 world.

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Barf Alert here:

From Answering Christianity

Q1: Why do some Muslims call Americans and Westerners "Great Satan"?

A1: Without being inappropriate to Americans and Westerners but most of them lack morals and do all kinds of sexual sinnings such as sex without marriage and sodomy which are reasons that GOD Almighty had drowned the people of Lot and Noah in the past for. Nude beaches, bikinis (exposing 99% of the woman's body), living together without marriage (boyfriend and girlfriend), porn business, oral sex, mixing genders in grade and high schools to promote sexuality among teenage kids are all indications of a satanic and sexually open society.

In Jerry Springer Show here in the US (one of the most popular shows that discuss social issues in the country), on Monday 6/11/2001, the show's title for that day was "I am sleeping with my son". From among the people that were brought on for that day, some sons and their mothers are even planning on having babies! The fathers were in great shock.

If it's ok in Christianity to have sex before marriage, ok to live with someone without marriage (like boyfriend or girlfriend), ok to have anal sex with the same gender (see www.godlovesfags.com and see the thousands of Christians who support them through their guest book) or the other gender, ok for the brother to sleep with his sister, ok for people to expose most of their bodies (by wearing bikinis for instance), ok to spread wickedness among society, then:

WHAT'S NOT OK TO DO THEN????!!!! AND WHY DID GOD DROWN TO DEATH THE PEOPLE OF LOTT AND NOAH THEN? DIDN'T THEY DO THE SAME EXACT THING AS THE CHRISTIANS ARE DOING TODAY FROM SODOMY, AND ILLEGAL SEX WITHOUT MARRIAGE??!!

What else beside "Satanic Societies", or "Great Satan" would you call the West?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: braad; islamicviolence
So much for tolerance in islam...

So what shall we call islam, when reading this stuff from the koran and hadith:

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers (become Muslims) and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." (Koran 9:5)

"Prophet (Muhammad) said: 'Do not stone the adulteress who is pregnant until she has had her child.' After the birth she was put into a ditch up to her chest and the Prophet commanded them to stone her. Khalid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and he cursed her. The gentle Prophet prayed over her and she was buried." (Hadith No. Muslim 682)

"Omar reported from the Holy Prophet who said, 'No man shall be questioned for beating his wife.'" (Al Hadis, Vol. 1, p. 215)

Women are inferior to men
"...and women shall have rights similar to the rights against them...but men have a degree over them..." Surah 2:228

Women are less than equal to men in at least two major areas First, in inheritance: a woman's share is half that of a man. "To the male a portion equal to that of two females..." Surah 4:11
Second, in court witness: the witness of two women equals the witness of one man. "...and if there are not two men, then a man and two women such as you choose, for witness..." Surah 2:282

Women's mind is deficient
Mohammed said, "The witness of a woman is equal to half of that of a man because of the deficiency of the woman's mind" Hadith vol. 3:826

A husband may punish his wife by beating her or abstaining from sexual relations with her "women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them. Surah 4:34

A wife is a sex object
"Your wives are as a tilth ( a field to be ploughed ) unto you, so approach your tilth when or how ye will." Surah 2:223

Islam does not teach the equality of all people "Ye (Muslims) are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind..." Surah 3:110

Any person who accepts Islam, then later turns away from it will be subject to death:
Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Hadith vol. 9:57

A Muslim may not be killed if he kills an infidel
Mohammed said: "No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir (infidel). " Hadith vol. 9:50

Ethnic cleansing is practiced
Mohammed said to the Jews "The earth belongs to Allah and His apostle, and I want to expel you from this land (the Arabian Peninsula), so, if anyone owns property, he is permitted to sell it." Hadith vol. 4:392

"Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought, so the Prophet (Muhammad) exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places. He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa', the tribe of 'Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina." (Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 5:59:362)

Why Saudia Arabia does not allow churches to be erected on its soil:
Mohammed's last words were: "Turn the pagans (non-Muslims) out of the Arabian Peninsula." Hadith vol. 5:716

No Separation of Church and State
"We have sent down to thee the Book (Quran) in truth, that thou mightest judge between men, as guided by God." Surah 4:105

According to Islam:

Stealing is punishable by the amputation of the hands (Surah 5:41)
Adultery is punishable by public flogging (Surah 24:2)
Drinking is punishable by 40-80 lashes (Hadith 8:770)
Resisting Islam, punishable by death, crucifixion or the cutting off of the hands and feet (Surah 5:36)
These rules will be imposed also on non-Muslims in an Islamic State
"If any one desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him." Surah 3:85

No opposition party is allowed in an Islamic State
"O ye who believe obey God and the apostle and those charged with authority among you. If you differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His apostle." Surah 4:59

If you don't abide by these laws, you are considered:
An unbeliever (Surah 5:47)
A wrong-doer (Surah 5:48)
A rebel (Surah 5:50)

"Prophet said: 'When the slave runs away from his master, his prayer is not accepted; he is an infidel.'" (Hadith No. Muslim 32)

And what to do with them:
"I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips of them.It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah." Surah 8:13-17 (See also Surah 8:60 & 9:14)

Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah." Hadith vol. 4:196

Mohammed also said, "Know that paradise is under the shades of the swords." Hadith vol 4:73

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." (Koran 9:29)

"The Prophet said, 'The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause.'" (Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 1:2:35)

"Narrated Anas: 'Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine. They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die.'" (Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 8:82:794)

Allah's messenger said "Who is willing to kill Ka`b bin al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His apostle?" Thereupon Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's messenger! Would you like that I kill him?" The prophet said, "Yes". Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Ka`b). The prophet said, "You may say it." [BUKHARI, VOLUME 5, #369]

"An infidel spy came to the Prophet while he was on a journey. The spy sat with the companions of the Prophet and started talking and then went away. The Prophet said (to his companions), 'Chase and kill him.' So, I killed him." The Prophet then gave him the belongings of the killed spy (in addition to his share of the war booty). [Volume 4, Book 52, Number 286:]

1 posted on 01/26/2002 9:17:09 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: golitely
Ping
2 posted on 01/26/2002 9:17:30 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
WHAT'S NOT OK TO DO THEN????!!!! AND WHY DID GOD DROWN TO DEATH THE PEOPLE OF LOTT AND NOAH THEN? DIDN'T THEY DO THE SAME EXACT THING AS THE CHRISTIANS ARE DOING TODAY FROM SODOMY, AND ILLEGAL SEX WITHOUT MARRIAGE??!!
Chill, buzzkill. Change the channel or something.
3 posted on 01/26/2002 9:21:14 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: *BRAAD; JMJ333; Tourist Guy; EODGUY; proud2bRC; abandon; Khepera; Dakmar; RichInOC; RebelDawg...
What do you guys think?
4 posted on 01/26/2002 9:23:39 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Khepera;*BRAAD; JMJ333; Tourist Guy; EODGUY; proud2bRC; abandon; Khepera; Dakmar; RichInOC
Let God decide and judge them, and I think that is close at hand...
5 posted on 01/26/2002 9:35:49 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: dennisw;watchin;VOA;harpseal;timestax;xJones;justshutupandtakeit;TopDog2;ThomasMore;Publius6961...
Iran vs. Great Satan and why the US is called Great Satan
6 posted on 01/26/2002 9:38:37 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
There are weird things going on Iran. Like the Dec 2001 body snatching of some popular Ayatollah during his funeral by the government agents. I wonder how long that Islamic government can hang on to power if they have to resort to that kind of thing.
7 posted on 01/26/2002 10:16:55 AM PST by FITZ
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To: knighthawk
"But the thaw appears to be over."

They "thaw" was only in our minds. These Islamic fanatics were merely using us to eliminate one of their enemies before turing on us. We will soon find the forces of the "northern alliance" behaving in a similar manner. Its an Islamic tradition - smile, dissimulate, lie, and then stab you foe in the back when he least expects it. Standrad military practise for the followers of the mad prophet.

8 posted on 01/26/2002 10:47:13 AM PST by ZULU
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To: Khepera; eodguy; argee; dakmar; all
But the thaw appears to be over. Iran is extending its influence into western Afghanistan to create a counterweight to the U.S.-backed administration in Kabul. Arms discovered recently on a Palestinian-controlled smuggling boat, which included explosives suitable for suicide bombs, came from Iran. Hezbollah, an Iranian-backed terrorist group active in Lebanon, attacked northern Israel with rockets on Wednesday. And on Dec. 14, Hashemi Rafsanjani, Iran's Expediency Council chairman and a former president, delivered a major speech expressing hope the Islamic world would acquire a nuclear weapon to destroy Israel

They don't hide their agenda at all. Muhammad taught a strident ideology of the dar el-salam [house of peace] and the dar el-harb [house of war]. All ifnidels are catagorized in the dar el-harb, hence Islam is always at war with everyone. Radical Islam won't be satisfied until the whole world is converted, which is why we need to find an alternative to oil. It's the petro-dollar that is funding the terrorism.

However, the United States and Iran have been friends before and could one day be so again. Under the Shah, Iran was a key U.S. strategic ally, and renewing the friendship would make the two nations' mutual enemy, Saddam Hussein, gratifyingly nervous. From Iran's point of view, ties with the United States would bring an improvement to the nation's economy, a boost to its status as a regional power and an end to sanctions.

First the article talks about how Iran is sponsering the terrorism, next it suggests we can be friends again. I don't particularly want to be friends with fantacial murderers. I want to bring them to justice, not give them a friendship ring.

the leaders who rule from such powerful unelected bodies as the Guardian Council are still firmly in control of the nation. Until Iran's foreign policy changes, there can be little progress. Iran's sponsorship of Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas, its rejection of any peace with "the Zionist Entity," and its pursuit of nuclear weaponry, make it persona non grata in the post-Sept. 11 world.

Persona non grata????? They're the enemy!!!!

9 posted on 01/26/2002 4:52:15 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
You got that right brother. Thanks for the ping!
10 posted on 01/26/2002 4:57:39 PM PST by Khepera
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To: knighthawk
As I understand it Islam has got some pretty nasty skeletons in it closet conserning sexual impropriates.
11 posted on 01/26/2002 5:08:45 PM PST by the rifleman
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To: Khepera
of a woman is equal to half of that of a man because of the deficiency of the woman's mind"

First off, it's too late at night to get into this conversation. Iran, Good ole Mohammad and their "Allah" and that junk is junk. Secondly, my husband would sorta, sometimes, uhhhhh.......never mind! :-) :-)

12 posted on 01/26/2002 9:23:02 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: knighthawk
Great Satan will kick ass on little Satan any day!
13 posted on 01/26/2002 9:32:07 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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14 posted on 01/27/2002 7:15:56 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Khepera
What do you guys think?

I think if Christianity actually supported those behaviors I would have a tough time thinking G-d had anything to do with it.

I also think that Americans are becoming as uncritical in their thinking abilities as those to whom the Q&A was addressed. That is especially clear when one reads the attacks on Christianity here on FR. If that trend continues, we will be as likely to become fascists as the Taliban.

That's what I think.

Shalom.

15 posted on 01/28/2002 6:45:30 AM PST by ArGee
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To: JMJ333
Persona non grata????? They're the enemy!!!!

Details, details! Do words like "enemy" and "friend" really mean anything anyway? Aren't those just old paradigms for interpersonal relationships that don't relate well to the karma of the third millennium? What is truth? Why can't we all just get along? And, hey! Is that a missile flying toward my window?

Shalom.

16 posted on 01/28/2002 6:48:05 AM PST by ArGee
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To: knighthawk
WHAT'S NOT OK TO DO THEN????!!!! AND WHY DID GOD DROWN TO DEATH THE PEOPLE OF LOTT AND NOAH THEN? DIDN'T THEY DO THE SAME EXACT THING AS THE CHRISTIANS ARE DOING TODAY FROM SODOMY, AND ILLEGAL SEX WITHOUT MARRIAGE??!!

Wait a minute. I agree with some of this.

17 posted on 01/28/2002 7:01:33 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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LOL! Missle shmissle...what's a little "mass destruction" between friends! ;)
18 posted on 01/28/2002 7:23:14 AM PST by JMJ333
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To: knighthawk
In turn , " Washington pressured former hostages to drop suits against Iran's government " .
19 posted on 01/28/2002 9:35:04 AM PST by Ben Bolt
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